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March 21, 2021, 04:26 PM | #26 | ||
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A mandatory waiting period is not due process, or any legal process at all. Quote:
The evanescence of the waiting period when instant checks were introduced was an improvement, but it only cured the waiting period. Should a misdemeanor domestic violence conviction mean that you need to spend the rest of your life relying on a telephone and police willingness to respond if you have a problem with a malevolent character?
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March 21, 2021, 05:31 PM | #28 | |
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He filled it out, was denied on his NICS check. I gave him the appeal info. Many months later I found out he had not started the appeal process. I told him I would begin charging a storage fee on his pistol, hoping that would spur him into action. It kinda did. Four months later I call him to see what the status of his appeal and he tells me he had received it the month before. He brings the FBI appeal document that explains his deferred adjudication terms are removed and his NICS denial overturned. Seems he was under indictment the day he filled out that 4473. He lied on the 4473, which is a felony. I called my ATF IOI and asked how to proceed.........."transfer the gun, the US Attorney Office doesn't take those types of charges". Wow. That's the problem with laws, if you don't enforce what laws you do have, then making new ones is every bit as unneeded.
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March 21, 2021, 06:35 PM | #29 | |
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March 21, 2021, 07:24 PM | #30 |
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No problems here in Central Ohio. Hand over the dl, fill out the 4473 and done. Takes me approx. 30 minutes from the time I've walked in the door at the LGS to finishing up and heading home with a new gun.
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March 21, 2021, 07:58 PM | #31 |
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At one time when Biden was VP, he was "caught" by a reporter in a hallway and asked, point blank, why the Fed govt did so little to prosecute people who lied (and so broke the law) when trying to buy a gun.
His obvious off the cuff answer was probably honest, he gave a dismissive hand wave and stated "We don't have time for that". I wonder what he does have time for, now that he's President....
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In one case, agents came to the shop demanding I pull records for a gun they claimed was likely "in the hands of the cartels." While I waited for them to call the tracing center, one of them asked me what I did if there was an attempted straw purchase. I told them of my difficulties in getting anyone to pursue the issue. He then claimed that I should go ahead and transfer the weapon to the suspect, then call the ATF so they could follow up. Ridiculous.
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March 22, 2021, 09:39 AM | #35 | |
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March 22, 2021, 12:52 PM | #36 |
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Or switch to Molotov cocktails that are a lot harder to trace...
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March 22, 2021, 07:34 PM | #37 |
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Here in NJ they now have the State Police do the NICS, when I bought a 22LR rifle in December it was pay for it, fill out the paperwork, and they texted me when the NICS came through, about 4-5 days later.
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March 22, 2021, 08:05 PM | #38 | |
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If you have a CCW in AZ, there is no background search, even. 10 minutes, tops, and you are out the door with your new toy.
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Can an Arizona resident who does not have a carry license walk in, buy a handgun, and walk out in 10 minutes without a background check?
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From what I was told and have read, the ATF will give the ok waiving the NICS check IF the issuing agency for CCW permits is law enforcement.
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I see several people commenting that having a CCW exempts you from a background check in a lot of places.
That's not actually true. In those states where you can skip a background check, it is because the state is running monthly background checks on you to determine if they need to revoke your CCW. So, you don't skip background checks, there was already one run on you in the last 30 days. |
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Specific states or all?
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March 25, 2021, 11:10 AM | #47 | |
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First, the "background check" that everyone in this thread is referring to is the NICS check. Having a qualifying permit exempts you from a background check at the point of sale. Second, read the Form 4473, top of page 3, Que 29 "No NICS check is required because the transferee/buyer has a valid permit from the State where the transfer is to take place, which qualifies as an exemption to NICS. Whether the state is running monthly checks is immaterial for the purposes of buying a gun. In fact, a buyer could have had his qualifying permit revoked and if he doesn't tell the dealer he'll still get the gun. The dealer doesn't violate any law, but the buyer does.
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This thread is the first time I've every heard of state permits that allow the FEDERAL instant check to be waived. I had no idea such a thing even existed.
In my state, a CHL allowed you to bypass the state waiting period. The Fed NICS check was still always done. Now, thanks to a voter initiative passed law that small "perk" has been taken from us. Everybody, CHL licensed or not has to wait the same amount of time for a handgun. Longer if you're wanting to buy a semiautomatic assault rifle....
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Again, there is nothing that 'waives' background checks. The ATF allows states that comply with them to allow permits to prove that a background check has already happened.
Here is a list of states that meet ATF NICS requirements: https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...y-permit-chart Here is a list of open letters from ATF to a states FFL's providing guidance on when they do not have to do a NICS: https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-regula...y-letters-ffls |
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Whether a background check was conducted previously by a state agency is immaterial to what happens at a gun store counter.
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