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Old August 24, 2018, 10:24 AM   #26
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With a tread title like this, how can I RESIST!

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I put up with a little more weight(less than half a pound) in my light weight 3006 to get 2900 fps with a 165gr bullet and a 308 will not do that safely. and that extra 300 fps adds more than a little energy advantage to the 3006.
Not sure why you think that will beat a 308 by 300 FPS?

http://m.federalpremium.com/ammuniti...ed-tip/p308tt4

There are two versions of this ammo loaded by Federal and my own handloads with the Trophy Bonded are 2860 FPS.
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Old August 24, 2018, 04:20 PM   #27
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Where can you even find a box of 220 gr. factory ammo. I've been looking for just one for years to finish out a test I sarted several years back.
Dude, where've you been? In a Rip Van Winkle time-warp zone?

Worc nailed the answer.

In 30-06, there are several 220gn loads:

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Factory 30-06 220 gr loads:
Federal 220gr Speer HC SP 2,400fps.
Remington Express 220gr Core-Lokt 2,410fps.
Sako 220gr Hammerhead 2,362fps.
Yep, and that doesn't even touch what you might be able to do with well-crafted handloads.

Let's see any .308 load do that without hand-grenadining in the chamber on the primer strike.
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Old August 24, 2018, 11:18 PM   #28
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I put up with a little more weight(less than half a pound) in my light weight 3006 to get 2900 fps with a 165gr bullet and a 308 will not do that safely. and that extra 300 fps adds more than a little energy advantage to the 3006.
Not sure why you think that will beat a 308 by 300 FPS?

http://m.federalpremium.com/ammuniti...ed-tip/p308tt4

There are two versions of this ammo loaded by Federal and my own handloads with the Trophy Bonded are 2860 FPS.
You can then add Hornady Light Mag 165gr SP at 2,880fps, Hornady Superformance 165gr SST at 2,840fps, and Nosler 165gr AB at 2,800fps. Then there are a plethora of other 165gr loads that are well above 2,600fps.
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Old August 25, 2018, 05:47 AM   #29
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I don't know who told you that a .308 will do everything a 30-06 will do but you were misinformed.
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Old August 25, 2018, 09:50 AM   #30
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BeeShooter, as a generality, many rifles today in .308 and .30-'06 have 22" barrels. With factory loads, the muzzle velocities for 150-grain bullets are close to the same.

I handloaded for a 26" '06. Based on comparisons with friends shooting .308s on my 500-yard range, I was maybe 300 ft/sec faster.
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Old August 25, 2018, 05:05 PM   #31
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I don't have a 'Dog in the Fight' because I own both; a .308 and 30-06 hunting rifle. Specifically, a 1959 Winchester 88 in .308 and 1950 Winchester 70 in 30-06. I've hunted more with the 30-06 as that's what I had when I was a kid, however, I've shot more recently with the .308 as I love the Win 88 platform over a bolt action. Both are scoped platforms.

My observations are this (in no particular order):

The .308 caliber is more likely to be slightly more accurate than the 30-06 because it's easier to achieve a high case density with most powders because of the smaller case. However, Win 760 powder was developed for the 30-06 to take advantage of the bigger case and give it higher velocities ≤ 200fps with the added bonus of a higher case density too.

The 30-06 caliber can push a higher weight bullet faster, however, for North American game animals, both calibers are perfectly capable using 150grn - 180grn bullets at humane hunting ranges.

Commercial 30-06 ammo produces a higher Recoil Energy and Recoil Velocity for a given bullet weight than the .308. This is in part because of the slightly higher velocities, however, the recoil energy increase percentage is considerably more than the velocity percentage increase. (See Chuck Hawk's Rifle Recoil Table on ChuckHawks.com)

In hunting, bullet type and placement have proved to be much more important than the extra 100fps (or less) between 150grn or 180grn commercial .308 and 30-06 and with that, the slightly better accuracy of the commercial .308 rds, coupled with their reduced recoil energy and recoil velocity provide the shooter with a slightly better opportunity to make 'the right shot.'

For me, the difference between the 2 calibers is more in what your are comfortable shooting rather than the performance differences of the calibers. However, each of you have your own favorite and I say, "Whatever works for you is the best choice."

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I also have an M1 Garand in 30-06 and an M1A in 7.62x51 and handload 150grn, 165grn, and 168grn HPBT for both. My son and I use them to shoot at steel plates at 400yds with the irons they come with. Using a non-standard M2 Ball (147grn M80 bullets) and standard M80 Ball loads loaded at a chrono'd velocity of 2,820fps for both, neither has any advantage. The M1A, loaded with 20rds actually weighs only 1oz more than the M1 Garand with 8rds so they are virtually identical weight wise. Firing them feels nearly identical and they both recoil about the same, only moderately.

Firing them with equal loads with 165grn and 168grn bullets, still produces no apparent differences in feel. However, the M1 Garand with it's NM sights and Criterion barrel is every bit the match for the NM M1A. So, again, it comes down to personal likes. My son loves his M1 Garand as he loves the look and feel. I prefer my M1A in large part because the M14 was my Basic Training weapon. Go figure.

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Old August 28, 2018, 10:11 AM   #32
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Art- If you want to shoot a particular bullet at a particular speed and the 308 has that capability, use the 308. Other than that and down loading the 30-06 there is no reason to suggest that there is any similarity between the two other than the fact that both are .30 caliber.
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Old August 28, 2018, 10:24 AM   #33
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The accuracy issue depends more on individual rifle than whether it's 308 or 06
With a lot of loads, on paper there isn't much difference.
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