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Old December 11, 2019, 12:36 PM   #1
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S&W Shield EZ now in 9mm

S&W just released the Shield EZ in 9mm after the sucess of it's .380 version. They're turning up online at a few retailers currently.

https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...l-thumb-safety

Personally I'm not a fan of the grip safety's shape as it sticks out into my palm with a high grip(on the 380 models). If it depressed a bit deeper I'd buy this 9mm version for sure. Been seeing prices arpund $399 so far.
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Old December 11, 2019, 12:46 PM   #2
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S&W just released the Shield EZ in 9mm after the sucess of it's .380 version. They're turning up online at a few retailers currently.



https://www.smith-wesson.com/firearm...l-thumb-safety



Personally I'm not a fan of the grip safety's shape as it sticks out into my palm with a high grip(on the 380 models). If it depressed a bit deeper I'd buy this 9mm version for sure. Been seeing prices arpund $399 so far.
I would think part of the reason it sticks out as much is to make sure it stays depressed when held.

I imagine this will sell well for S&W.

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Old December 11, 2019, 01:40 PM   #3
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Helps explain that $50 rebate on the Shields that just ended.
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Old December 11, 2019, 04:04 PM   #4
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I've been on the fence about getting the 380 EZ as a gift for someone hoping that it would come out with a 9mm. I'm glad they came out with this 9mm. Of course I'll have to wait till all the rushes are over.

This also more than makes up for the HUGE disappointment from glock yesterday.
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Old December 12, 2019, 02:15 PM   #5
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Instead of putting all these redundant safeties on the gun, wouldn't it be easier if they just removed the firing pin entirely?
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Old December 12, 2019, 03:32 PM   #6
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Instead of putting all these redundant safeties on the gun, wouldn't it be easier if they just removed the firing pin entirely?
It gets to a question of defining redundant. There are people out there that like the idea of a grip safety. I am trying to remember if it you were part of it but we've discussed here multiple times how people like the presence of a hammer when reholstering or whatnot to further aid in preventing a discharge. A grip safety can function as that as well. Similar to how I may see the hammer as redundant in that case, no doubt some people see the grip safety as redundant too.

I also wonder if part of the reason the EZ is so easy to rack is if depressing the grip safety actually provides some resistance to the slide or perhaps additionally cocks the hammer. You can't put the slide back on if the grip safety is depressed because doing so causes some of the trigger bar linkage to stick up. Total speculation on my part.

I don't know that I get the point of a thumb safety as well, but again preferences exist. There is also the Shield without a safety as an option. Providing options doesn't seem like a bad thing.

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Old December 12, 2019, 03:44 PM   #7
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I am trying to remember if it you were part of it but we've discussed here multiple times how people like the presence of a hammer when reholstering or whatnot to further aid in preventing a discharge. A grip safety can function as that as well.
I'm one of those people. For example, though I like AIWB carry for a number of reasons. I won't carry a striker fired gun that way unless it has a grip safety. An external hammer or grip safety can add one extra level to help prevent an AD in case clothing gets caught while holstering. Some people feel the same way about IWB hip holsters.
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Old December 12, 2019, 06:06 PM   #8
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Speaking to the grip safety issue. You have to understand the EZ is not striker fired lkke the other M&Ps. It has a hammer concealed under the slide. So, basically a single action gun. A grip safety is not a bad idea
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Old December 12, 2019, 06:19 PM   #9
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Speaking to the grip safety issue. You have to understand the EZ is not striker fired lkke the other M&Ps. It has a hammer concealed under the slide. So, basically a single action gun. A grip safety is not a bad idea
While I agree, some striker fired pistols are practically fully cocked and you could argue that they're similar to a single action gun, absent a hammer. Most often they have a trigger blade safety that prevents certain drop concerns. The grip safety can do that too.

Is the trigger travel on the EZ noticeably different than say a non-EZ Shield?

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Old December 12, 2019, 08:23 PM   #10
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I have a 0mm Shield - i love it. I have a .380 EZ Shield - I love it.

I have owned 1911s which of course have grip safeties - not an issue for me at all. I wondered about how much I would like the 380 EZ and I found that I quickly adapted to the grip safety. I sometimes carry the 380 EZ and I appreciate the grip safety since I carry with the normal safety off. I[m older and my hands are as well. The thing I like about the 380 EZ is the ease of racking it - much easier than the 9mm Shield I have.

If you don't like a grip safety - then maybe it isn't for you and that's fine. I think that S & W has a good section fo the market with their M & P Shields. As pointed out, the 380 EZ is hammer fired, not striker fired and i would imagine the new 9mm EZ is going to be the same as the 380. That goes a long way for folks with hand issues, arthritis, etc. - especially for us older shooters and women who don't have the strength to rack their standard Shields. It might not be for everyone, but i think they will sell well. While I do carry the 380 once I'm a while, I much prefer the 9mm. I would have no issue in using one and probably will. I recently switched from my 9mm Shield to a Glock 26 for EDC - reasons - more capacity, easier to rack. If the 9mm EZ comes at a decent price, I will probably add one just due to the ease of racking and for range fun.
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Old December 12, 2019, 08:38 PM   #11
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In the interest of fairness and open disclosure, I've to this date found very few if any pistols hard to rack. But being open to diversity and the opinions of others including my wife, I will concede there must be something going on there because we hear the "hard to rack" complaint frequently it seems these days.

I wonder though, can some of these pistols be TOO EASY to rack and therefore a bit of a danger to carry or induce malfunctions?

Also, why only 8 in the mag and one in the pipe in this new S&W semi offering? Springfield has apparently found a way around sig's patent.
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Old December 12, 2019, 09:08 PM   #12
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I'm guessing that soon we're going to start seeing "EZ" firearms on the market that one can simply shake back and forth in the air to operate the slide.

Or maybe a little battery operated power button on the side you can simply push to do the job.

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Old December 12, 2019, 10:31 PM   #13
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Love my EZ .380 the 9 mm should be a winner also. Younger and stronger persons cannot relate to pain in the hands from arthritis and the difficulty experienced in racking some slides, I have several hundred pistols and rack all of the semi autos however a few require creativeness. The EZ is appreciated and certainly not so EZ that it will rack itself as some have concerned themselves with.

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Old December 13, 2019, 06:47 AM   #14
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I know, I'm being sarcastic, it just seems to me that the presence of both thumb and grip safeties is rather superfluous. I know, I know, a 1911 has been configured that way for a century.

I just saw that the 9mm EZ is available without the thumb safety. I think that configuration makes sense.

I had an XD for a while and never minded the grip safety. I do agree that having some passive means of preventing an AD when holstering the weapon is a very good idea, and I'm an advocate of a hammer or a "Gadget" if carrying a Glock.
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Old December 13, 2019, 10:39 AM   #15
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Hmm. I seem to recall the pistol used to start WWI was a striker-fired 9x17mm with a grip safety and a thumb safety. Oh yeah, it was an FN 1910 designed by John Browning...
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Old December 13, 2019, 01:43 PM   #16
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I know, I'm being sarcastic, it just seems to me that the presence of both thumb and grip safeties is rather superfluous. I know, I know, a 1911 has been configured that way for a century.
Of course, the grip safety was added to the 1911 during initial development at the request of the Army, specifically to make the gun safer for cavalry soldiers on horseback. I think the idea was to make it safer during action when a soldier might have the pistol cocked and not locked. If dropped during the battle, it was less likely to discharge if it hit the ground or perhaps the saddle pommel when swinging from a lanyard. As a side effect, it made the pistol more modular --- just alter the grip safety for a more-customized grip.

I think the idea of the pistol being safer if it is dropped is still valid.
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I think the idea of the pistol being safer if it is dropped is still valid.
The modern firing pin/striker block solves the dropped gun issue.

I dont favor compromising my grip while holstering.
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Old December 13, 2019, 02:17 PM   #18
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Now they just need to make a DA/SA version.
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Old December 13, 2019, 02:20 PM   #19
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The modern firing pin/striker block solves the dropped gun issue.

I dont favor compromising my grip while holstering.
By itself no it doesn't. Momentum can still potentially drive the trigger rearward and cause a discharge. That is why most modern striker fired pistols have trigger blade "safeties". The small mass of the trigger blade makes it practically impossible for that part of the trigger to depress. S&W uses a hinged trigger instead of a trigger blade. SIG tried a system where the mass of the trigger in combination with the travel direction and mass of the trigger bar should have prevented it from being a problem. That didn't work out and now they have much lighter trigger shoes.

There are other ways too. A DA/SA pistol with the hammer down (or striker released) would need the force on the trigger to exceed the force provided by the hammer (or striker) spring. On a single action pistol with no other safety, I imagine it is possible. Might be very unlikely, but possible.

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Old December 13, 2019, 03:53 PM   #20
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What's the advantage of carrying a Shield EZ over the ordinary M&P9 Shield?

Also, attempting to redesign/rechamber a .380 ACP pistol in 9mm Luger never works out well, just look at the Remington R51.
Despite what its appearance and European nomenclature may suggest, the .380 ACP is not a shortened 9mm Luger, but rather a scaled down version of the .45 ACP, ergo it's a straight-walled cartridge which generates significantly lower chamber pressures than 9mm Luger, yet manufacturers keep trying to make 9mm Luger versions of .380 ACP pistols, and what do you know, they always end up getting recalled or having some critical part fail which requires a redesign/replacement.

Heck, how often has any attempt at rechambering a firearm for a more powerful cartridge ever been successful? Because it seems like the answer is never.

Honestly...
  • Attempts to rechamber 9mm Luger pistols in .40 S&W - FAILURE.
  • Attempts to rechamber .45 ACP pistols in 10mm Auto - FAILURE.
  • Attempts to rechamber .380 ACP pistols in 9mm Luger - FAILURE.

Such attempts have consistently failed until the manufacturer straight up redesigned the pistols based on what they learned from said failures. It's just plain never that simple.
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What's the advantage of carrying a Shield EZ over the ordinary M&P9 Shield?



Also, attempting to redesign/rechamber a .380 ACP pistol in 9mm Luger never works out well, just look at the Remington R51.

Despite what its appearance and European nomenclature may suggest, the .380 ACP is not a shortened 9mm Luger, but rather a scaled down version of the .45 ACP, ergo it's a straight-walled cartridge which generates significantly lower chamber pressures than 9mm Luger, yet manufacturers keep trying to make 9mm Luger versions of .380 ACP pistols, and what do you know, they always end up getting recalled or having some critical part fail which requires a redesign/replacement.



Heck, how often has any attempt at rechambering a firearm for a more powerful cartridge ever been successful? Because it seems like the answer is never.



Honestly...


  • Attempts to rechamber 9mm Luger pistols in .40 S&W - FAILURE.
  • Attempts to rechamber .45 ACP pistols in 10mm Auto - FAILURE.
  • Attempts to rechamber .380 ACP pistols in 9mm Luger - FAILURE.



Such attempts have consistently failed until the manufacturer straight up redesigned the pistols based on what they learned from said failures. It's just plain never that simple.
The advantages are the same as they've been for the EZ line since the inception. Easier to rack and manipulate for people with limited hand strength.

I wouldn't use the Remington R51 as an example. They were using a different locking system than the standard locked breach Browning titling barrel design, and frankly Remington was having QC issues at the time.

One example I can think of is the P938 from the P238. Yes the design had to be scaled up some. The EZ 380 was already large for a 380 Auto. The EZ 9mm is ever so slightly larger in length and width, no doubt for the pressure differences. It's not the exact same pistol.

There are already reviews showing the pistol going hundreds of rounds without issue. Now maybe those are cherry picked pistols and full production will show problems in the short or long term. Or maybe S&W is competent enough to do this.

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Old December 13, 2019, 04:42 PM   #22
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Anybody know just how S&W made the EZ slide so easy to rack?

I find hammer pistols harder to rack due to the need to compress the mainspring (hammer's spring) at the same time as compressing the recoil spring. I'm sure you all have done this also (except die-hard striker fans ). You rack the slide with the hammer already cocked, and then you do so with the hammer down. There is a noticeable difference.

With the striker pistols, the striker is engaged and the striker spring is compressed as the slide goes forward. So we do not compress the striker spring when we pull the slide back.

But the EZ is easier to rack than the striker-fired regular Shield. We can't pre-cock the hammer on the EZ because it is hidden. Yet the EZ is the easiest.

How do they do that? Different geometries with the locking surfaces and the ramp which pulls the barrel down?

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Anybody know just how S&W made the EZ slide so easy to rack?
I'm curious about that too.

With the 380, one of the things they did was make it a locked breach instead of blowback. That allowed for a lighter recoil spring. I'm really curious about what their trick is with the 9mm.
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Old December 13, 2019, 10:00 PM   #24
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Could they be using the grip safety to partially cock the hammer? Similar to how the P7 had a squeeze cocker?

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Could they be using the grip safety to partially cock the hammer? Similar to how the P7 had a squeeze cocker?

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The grip safety on both of the EZ series has two functions when not depressed.
- Disconnect the trigger linkage.
- Engage the firing pin block.

Holster safety protocol: Place thumb on the rear of the slide, this prevents depressing the grip safety when holstering.
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