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Old March 3, 2018, 10:42 AM   #1
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Cleaning at the range

I have an old Savage 110 30-06 that seems to only shoot really well on the first few shots. What are you all using to clean your barrels at the range that does not take long? I was thinking about making my own bore snake that is more absorbent so I don't need to keep pushing patches.
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Old March 3, 2018, 03:29 PM   #2
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At the rifle range I go to, they shoot for 15 minutes, cease fire for 5 minutes to change targets, repeat. If I feel my bore needs cleaned, I have 15 minutes to do so, which is plenty of time. Just don't touch the guns while people are down range. I have never, but seen a guy mess up and do it, needless to say, he was escorted off the property.
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Old March 4, 2018, 12:24 PM   #3
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After reading a well researched article on the modern effective cleaners that are non hazardous and non odor (Hoppes was getting to my wife and I was having to clean outside) .

My day in day out is Carbon Killer 2000 (I call it CK2k) - there may be other similar product on the market. It seems to be a citrus based cleaner.

While it works good on cold guns, its even faster on warm barrels, so now I clean my guns at the range when I am done shooting.

What works is a nylon brush and an eye dropper to apply the CK2k.

I drizzle the CK2k on the nylon brush (nylon hold the liquid better) then run it through the barrel. Drizzle more on it and then 3 to 5 strokes, repeat once with more on it each time, then a dry patch though.

That comes through soaked and very dirty.

About 3 cycles of that and its clean. You don't have to run a wet patch as the process leaves plenty in the barrel.

Once its clean I run a last dry patch through.

I also have some stuff called Bore Tech Eliminator. Its more copper oriented but also non haz and no odor and extremely effective. It will clean carbon up as well, not as good as CK2k, but if its a layer of copper over carbon it will allow penetration to the next layer of copper.

I don't see a lot of copper, mostly that old milgary rifles. The process turns them into factory new gleaming (if they have not been shot a lot, I have an old 1903 my Step Dads father had, it was a target rifle at one point and its pretty shot up, I would guess 5000 rounds + through it, bore worn to about 5 - too much shooting to clean up)

The rest are stunning, what you think is an old glazed bore comes sparkly clean.
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Old March 4, 2018, 03:15 PM   #4
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Thanks. Unclenick suggested the Bore Tech Eliminator as well for putting in the gun before heading home. I just want it clean fast. Four shots and then clean. Then another four shots and clean. I am going to try to see how it groups this way.
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Old March 5, 2018, 08:08 AM   #5
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I made up a cleaning kit with the usual solvents & patches all stored in small tupperware container and the squeeze bottles of solvents in a small plastic coffee can. All of this is stored/kept in a small bag. Cleaning rods are stored in a pvc pipe with foam padding in the caps, no damage or spills so far to the cleaning rods or solvents. I clean at the range just to avoid having to set up at the house and clean 'em once I get home.
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Old March 5, 2018, 02:26 PM   #6
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What's your timed rate of fire between the first three shots?

I like to fire a 3 shot group for accuracy at a fairly fast pace --- then let the big gun cool --- because once I feel the gun's receiver heat-up (usually after the third shot), I know that receiver heat build-up is detrimental to accuracy.

I usually see accuracy drop-off after the 17th shot...with my 223 target bolt rifle (three shot groups timed-spaced apart).
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Old March 5, 2018, 06:52 PM   #7
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What's your timed rate of fire between the first three shots?
15 to 20 seconds. If I can't fire them that fast I wait a full minute. I agree with three shots. The fourth shot is almost always a low flyer.
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Old March 9, 2018, 11:06 AM   #8
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I'd bet the flyers are caused by heat rather than a dirty bore. Thin hunting barrels heat up and stress relieve and the barrel bends.

NRA and CMP match shooting involves firing anywhere from 30 to 88 rounds. Used to be mostly .30/06 and .308, now .223. I never heard anyone complain of accuracy falling off during the course of a match and never saw anyone clean a barrel during a match.
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