Dragon's Breath ?

mete · December 12, 2018, 02:58 AM

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-rounds.html

That's hardly a thing for indoor shooting. A miracle that none were injured . Get some safety proceedures !

tepin · December 12, 2018, 06:32 AM

I think I saw that on Game of Thrones.

mehavey · December 12, 2018, 07:31 AM

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Shotgun owners on Reddit suggested the fire was caused by gun powder
buildup in the range, rather than dragons breath ammunition.

Agreed. The incendiaries lit off the layer of uncleaned powder buildup.

Bartholomew Roberts · December 12, 2018, 08:20 AM

Who would be foolish enough to allow incendiaries to be used on an indoor common range? I’ve seen unburned powder catch fire and burn at a public indoor range with no incendiaries at all being used. This is begging for a fire.

briandg · December 12, 2018, 09:39 AM

Hogwash. That was not a dragon round. that was something entirely different, and the explanation of a pound or two of powder residue on the floor is also suspect.

Look at it. Do you see recoil?

I can't imagine why anyone would take any of those websites seriously anyway.

I'm not going to try to explain it. I will say that the fire appears to start in two different places, that it is gray smoke, the smoke quickly covers the camera and no injuries from what is obviously something that would have caused minor burns?

briandg · December 12, 2018, 09:49 AM

I think that I understand what happened now.

They have an elevated platform, something like a pallet, and it's pretty obvious that powder, dust, sawdust, waste material, pounds of it would accumulate under that line of boards over months or years. A very lucky spark landed inside the gaps on something flammable and under slow motion you can see the fire develop and grow until it blows out through the gaps in a great plume of fire.

Maybe they were shooting blanks. Nothing about what happened makes sense, but I believe that the fire was real and that this is what happened.

mete · December 12, 2018, 10:05 AM

Not an uncommon event , even Glock had a fire at their range . Just poor house keeping !
As for the reporting , what do you expect from a newspaper ?

briandg · December 12, 2018, 10:16 AM

Daily mail is almost as good as the enquirer.

You have to shoot a lot of rounds to accumulate that much powder. I'd hate to think of what would happen if twenty years of built up cat hair in a corner crevice somewhere in our home caught fire.

So were they firing blank rounds?

T. O'Heir · December 12, 2018, 01:15 PM

"...Hogwash..." Absolutely. That fireball started right in front of the shooter. Lotta people on that range without safety glasses too.
"...as good as the Enquirer..." The DM can teach the Enquirer about BS. snicker.

mete · December 12, 2018, 02:30 PM

Even the woman has open top sandals !

briandg · December 12, 2018, 02:37 PM

The loose hair was what made my skin crawl. Open toed sandals? we mow with them, drive with them, I saw someone working at a glass studio wearing them. Short jeans and open sandals and maybe 500 pounds of incandescent melted glass in play around the shop.

Most of the ranges that I have visited have been literally cleaner than my kitchen.

Ricklin · December 12, 2018, 06:22 PM

This same indoor range scenario played out a couple years back too. Seems to me the problem of unburned gunpowder would be well known by now.

Yes most of our powder burns. All of it could burn eventually.

Sharkbite · December 12, 2018, 07:01 PM

Back in the early 90’s Los Angeles Sheriffs Dept had a number of mobile ranges built into semi trailers. During a repair cycle a welders spark caught one of them on fire. Burned to the frame.

The cause...unburned powder on the floor mats

Cheapshooter · December 12, 2018, 10:35 PM

Look at the floor in front of the bench. Looks like an old hardwood plank floor. Like a deck. The video was hard to stop because popups kept interfering. But with enough trys I could clearly see the fire start below the floor. It can be seen in the gap between the hoards. Years of unburned powder, dust, who knows what building up and a spark falling from the muzzle which were obvious in the shots leading up to the fire.

Double Naught Spy · December 13, 2018, 02:38 AM

This is not an uncommon way for indoor ranges to catch fire.

Capt. Charlie · December 13, 2018, 04:10 AM

I'm thinking that this is more appropriate for General Discussion. Moving.

**4V50 Gary** · December 13, 2018, 09:54 AM

Yikes. I don't want to be around if that happens.

Skans · December 13, 2018, 10:23 AM

If you watch the video closely, the fire was not set off by a round being fired. I agree with briandg - there was a huge accumulation of something explosive (unburned powder) on the floor and I think all it took was a spark to set it off.

rickyrick · December 13, 2018, 07:22 PM

It clearly started on the floor. But not sure I’d use any type of incendiary inside of any building.

Armed_Chicagoan · December 15, 2018, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bartholomew Roberts

Who would be foolish enough to allow incendiaries to be used on an indoor common range?

Government employees, apparently.

Rachen · December 15, 2018, 09:34 PM

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This is not an uncommon way for indoor ranges to catch fire.

Using that kind of ammunition at indoor ranges would very quickly earn you a lifetime ban from the facilities. At least at the ranges I go to. First time, they will chew you out pretty thoroughly and ensure that even THINKING about using them there again would result in embarrassed blushing. Second time, you are out because you just don't know any better. There are also rules restricting the use of "burning targets" for the same reason. It would suck if some idiot does something reckless and ruin a facility that is used/enjoyed by hundreds of people.

That stuff seems to be excellent for Fourth of July BBQ parties in a very large and spacious backyard at dusk with GOOD non-flammable backstop. Not anywhere near occupied dwellings.

briandg · December 16, 2018, 12:18 AM

It wasn't too long ago that a guy back east fired tracers at a range and the thing was burned to a total loss.

Rachen · December 16, 2018, 09:34 PM

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It wasn't too long ago that a guy back east fired tracers at a range and the thing was burned to a total loss.

briandg · December 17, 2018, 01:53 PM

excellent.

I have a son in law who has little man syndrome. whatever he does he has to assert his powerful manhood. He breaks stuff in doing so.

There are always going to be doltish individuals who lack the subtle sense to not stand on the top rung of an extension ladder or to not fire blazing hot (2,000 degrees or so) fire spewing bullets into a flammable backstop material in spite of posted rules.

December 12, 2018, 02:58 AM	#1
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Dragon's Breath ? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ry-rounds.html That's hardly a thing for indoor shooting. A miracle that none were injured . Get some safety proceedures ! __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

December 12, 2018, 06:32 AM	#2
tepin Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2006 Location: FL Posts: 129	I think I saw that on Game of Thrones. __________________ "Detached reflection cannot be demanded in the presence of an uplifted knife." by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr. in Brown v. United States, 256 U.S. 335, 343 (16 May 1921).

December 12, 2018, 09:39 AM	#5
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	Hogwash. That was not a dragon round. that was something entirely different, and the explanation of a pound or two of powder residue on the floor is also suspect. Look at it. Do you see recoil? I can't imagine why anyone would take any of those websites seriously anyway. I'm not going to try to explain it. I will say that the fire appears to start in two different places, that it is gray smoke, the smoke quickly covers the camera and no injuries from what is obviously something that would have caused minor burns? __________________ None.

December 12, 2018, 09:49 AM	#6
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	I think that I understand what happened now. They have an elevated platform, something like a pallet, and it's pretty obvious that powder, dust, sawdust, waste material, pounds of it would accumulate under that line of boards over months or years. A very lucky spark landed inside the gaps on something flammable and under slow motion you can see the fire develop and grow until it blows out through the gaps in a great plume of fire. Maybe they were shooting blanks. Nothing about what happened makes sense, but I believe that the fire was real and that this is what happened. __________________ None.

December 12, 2018, 10:05 AM	#7
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Not an uncommon event , even Glock had a fire at their range . Just poor house keeping ! As for the reporting , what do you expect from a newspaper ? __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

December 12, 2018, 08:20 AM	#4
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Who would be foolish enough to allow incendiaries to be used on an indoor common range? I’ve seen unburned powder catch fire and burn at a public indoor range with no incendiaries at all being used. This is begging for a fire.

December 12, 2018, 10:16 AM	#8
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	Daily mail is almost as good as the enquirer. You have to shoot a lot of rounds to accumulate that much powder. I'd hate to think of what would happen if twenty years of built up cat hair in a corner crevice somewhere in our home caught fire. So were they firing blank rounds? __________________ None.

December 12, 2018, 01:15 PM	#9
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	"...Hogwash..." Absolutely. That fireball started right in front of the shooter. Lotta people on that range without safety glasses too. "...as good as the Enquirer..." The DM can teach the Enquirer about BS. snicker. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

December 12, 2018, 02:30 PM	#10
mete Senior Member Join Date: June 14, 2004 Location: NY State Posts: 6,575	Even the woman has open top sandals ! __________________ And Watson , bring your revolver !

December 12, 2018, 02:37 PM	#11
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	The loose hair was what made my skin crawl. Open toed sandals? we mow with them, drive with them, I saw someone working at a glass studio wearing them. Short jeans and open sandals and maybe 500 pounds of incandescent melted glass in play around the shop. Most of the ranges that I have visited have been literally cleaner than my kitchen. __________________ None.

December 12, 2018, 06:22 PM	#12
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 2,011	Not the first time This same indoor range scenario played out a couple years back too. Seems to me the problem of unburned gunpowder would be well known by now. Yes most of our powder burns. All of it could burn eventually. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

December 12, 2018, 07:01 PM	#13
Sharkbite Senior Member Join Date: November 4, 2013 Location: Western slope of Colorado Posts: 3,679	Back in the early 90’s Los Angeles Sheriffs Dept had a number of mobile ranges built into semi trailers. During a repair cycle a welders spark caught one of them on fire. Burned to the frame. The cause...unburned powder on the floor mats

December 12, 2018, 10:35 PM	#14
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Look at the floor in front of the bench. Looks like an old hardwood plank floor. Like a deck. The video was hard to stop because popups kept interfering. But with enough trys I could clearly see the fire start below the floor. It can be seen in the gap between the hoards. Years of unburned powder, dust, who knows what building up and a spark falling from the muzzle which were obvious in the shots leading up to the fire. __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

December 13, 2018, 02:38 AM	#15
Double Naught Spy Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2001 Location: Forestburg, Montague Cnty, TX Posts: 12,717	This is not an uncommon way for indoor ranges to catch fire. __________________ "If you look through your scope and see your shoe, aim higher." -- said to me by my 11 year old daughter before going out for hogs 8/13/2011 My Hunting Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange

December 13, 2018, 04:10 AM	#16
Capt. Charlie Moderator Emeritus Join Date: March 24, 2005 Location: Steubenville, OH Posts: 4,446	I'm thinking that this is more appropriate for General Discussion. Moving. __________________ TFL Members are ambassadors to the world for firearm owners. What kind of ambassador does *your* post make *you?* I train in earnest, to do the things that I pray in earnest, I'll never have to do. --Capt. Charlie

December 13, 2018, 09:54 AM	#17
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	Yikes. I don't want to be around if that happens. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

December 13, 2018, 10:23 AM	#18
Skans Senior Member Join Date: November 20, 2008 Posts: 11,132	If you watch the video closely, the fire was not set off by a round being fired. I agree with briandg - there was a huge accumulation of something explosive (unburned powder) on the floor and I think all it took was a spark to set it off.

December 13, 2018, 07:22 PM	#19
rickyrick Senior Member Join Date: March 15, 2010 Posts: 8,236	It clearly started on the floor. But not sure I’d use any type of incendiary inside of any building.

December 16, 2018, 12:18 AM	#22
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	It wasn't too long ago that a guy back east fired tracers at a range and the thing was burned to a total loss. __________________ None.

December 17, 2018, 01:53 PM	#24
briandg Senior Member Join Date: May 4, 2010 Posts: 5,468	excellent. I have a son in law who has little man syndrome. whatever he does he has to assert his powerful manhood. He breaks stuff in doing so. There are always going to be doltish individuals who lack the subtle sense to not stand on the top rung of an extension ladder or to not fire blazing hot (2,000 degrees or so) fire spewing bullets into a flammable backstop material in spite of posted rules. __________________ None.