Smith and Wesson serial number search - Page 71

Wildekarrde · August 19, 2009, 10:35 PM

@Layton J1

Regarding the S&W 32 I have, its a hand ejector (sn 59XXX)

mstrain · August 20, 2009, 10:38 AM

I too need a date of manufacture for a new purchase. S&W M&P SN C341***.
Thanks to anyone that can give me a hand.

FlyFish · August 20, 2009, 10:53 AM

mstrain: Between 1954 (C277555) and 1956 (C402923).

CraCZ · August 23, 2009, 09:25 AM

flyfish could you help date my S&W model 15-3 2"-# is 14K30xx-many thanks

FlyFish · August 23, 2009, 10:46 AM

CraCZ: 1977, sir.

gasmitty · August 23, 2009, 02:44 PM

Looking for mfg date on a pair of M64s.

4" 64-3, S/N AWW3xxx

2" 64-4, DAO, S/N BEK8xxx

The 64-3 was allegedly a police turn-in, although I have no way to verify that.

The 64-4 appears to be a factory DAO version.

Any help is appreciated!

FlyFish · August 23, 2009, 04:11 PM

gasmitty:
AWW . . . 1987
BEK . . . 1989

gasmitty · August 23, 2009, 04:55 PM

FlyFish, thank you!

KPK · August 23, 2009, 09:53 PM

How about a M19 Ser. # K618xxx and a M60 Ser. #R129xxx

Also what dashes?

Thanks!

laytonj1 · August 23, 2009, 11:20 PM

Quote:

How about a M19 Ser. # K618xxx and a M60 Ser. #R129xxx

Also what dashes?

K618XXX = 1965 and would be a 19-2.
R129XXX = 1974/75/76 range.

Jim

KPK · August 24, 2009, 07:22 AM

Thanks Layton.

What would these be worth? The 19 is in good shape other than some blue wear on the muzzle and cylinder and the 60 is 90%, but doesn't have the original grips.

BlackJack · August 24, 2009, 11:48 AM

How about the date on a Model 17 no dash, SN: K4014xx?

FlyFish · August 24, 2009, 12:53 PM

Quote:

How about the date on a Model 17 no dash, SN: K4014xx?

Interesting. From the S/N, the date according to SCSW would definitely be 1960, and not all that early in the year, which started with K386805 and ended with K429895. But the 17-1 was introduced in 1959. The difference between the 17 and the 17-1 was the change from a right hand to left hand thread on the extractor rod. Do you know which yours is?

gunhappy · August 24, 2009, 02:44 PM

686-3 Sn#:BNS35XX. Thanks in advance.

laytonj1 · August 24, 2009, 02:52 PM

Quote:

686-3 Sn#:BNS35XX

1993.

Jim

BlackJack · August 24, 2009, 06:51 PM

Hey flyfish,

I'm not sure if it's right or left hand thread and I'm hesitant to put torque on the rod to find out. The gun is tight and works properly so I think I'll call it 1960. The only other clue I can provide is there is a letter "H" on the frame just above the serial number where the ejector rod rests if that helps. Below the serial number it clearly says MOD-17 with nothing following.

gunhappy · August 24, 2009, 07:35 PM

I appreciate your speed and willingness to help.

FlyFish · August 25, 2009, 07:45 AM

Blackjack: I can certainly understand that you don't want to go messing around disassembling your revolver to check on the threads, but that may not be necessary. The newer left-hand thread rods have a slightly different shape from the older right-hand ones. The difference is that the right-hand rods don't change in diameter between the knurled end and the main part of the shaft, but the left-hand ones have a narrowed area between the two parts. I believe that's not an absolute rule, but that it does apply in most cases. These two photos show the difference:

Here's the right-hand threaded rod on a Model 17:

And this one's the left-hand threaded rod on a 17-3:

My guess (and its only that), is that the 1960 production date based on the S/N is correct, and if you have a left-hand threaded ejector it may be a 17-1 mis-marked as a 17. It wouldn't be the first time the wrong model number has been stamped. The alternative, I guess, is that they made up a 17 from parts in stock during what would have otherwise been the period when they were producing 17-1s. There are some folks here that know tons more about this than I do, so perhaps they can offer an opinion.

BTW, nice gun regardless of whatever the real story might be.

stigp6 · August 25, 2009, 09:13 AM

Got a model 10 recently with serial number S 9192xx in blue finish.

here's some pics

FlyFish · August 25, 2009, 09:31 AM

stigp6: 1945 to 1948, with the S/N range being from S811120 to S999999 - so toward the middle part of that time period is more likely, but it's not possible to be sure.

Good photo of a right-hand threaded ejector rod, by the way.

762_mm · August 25, 2009, 01:50 PM

Hello everyone,

I am new to this forum, but I have been active on other (canadian) firearm forums for years now. I have been collecting/accumulating firearms for some time now, both handguns and rifles (mostly WW2 relics).

Recently, I have developed a taste for the truly antique side of collecting and have bought my first antique revolver (French 1892 Service Revolver). Despite being over 100 years old, I really enjoyed that gun... so recently, when opportunity came, I bought my first antique S&W, but know nothing about it and need your help.

My gun is a S&W DA First Model, has a 4" barrel and a longer cylinder that can accept .44 special ammo as well as the regular .44 Russian. Despite being old, it has a modern looking S&W logo on the right side (the logo also says "Trade Mark") and "44 S&W CTG" on the left side of the barrel.

Serial number on the grip is 475XX (5 digit serial, no letters). I would be very appreciative is someone could tell me a little about this gun; with it's short barrel and longer cylinder, it looks like it was built specifically for self-defense in the old days, I would say. Thanks in advance!

laytonj1 · August 25, 2009, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Serial number on the grip is 475XX (5 digit serial, no letters). I would be very appreciative is someone could tell me a little about this gun; with it's short barrel and longer cylinder, it looks like it was built specifically for self-defense in the old days, I would say. Thanks in advance!

Caliber .44 S&W Russian, barrel lengths offered in 4", 5", 6" or 6.5". Blue or nickle finish. Target or service sights. Red or black hard rubber stocks. Serial number range was from 1 in 1881 to 53590 in 1913. Earlier production had 1-7/16" cylinder and starting at SN 15340 a 1-9/16 cylinder.

Serial number 352 is attributed to John Wesley Hardin.

Although production runs to 1913, all frames were manufactured prior to 1899.

Jim

762_mm · August 26, 2009, 12:30 AM

Perfect, thank you very much for the info, Jim. I figured that the gun must be newer production at the very least, because it looks somewhat more modern than the rest of them. Maybe it's just the shorter barrel that gives it that appearance. I guess that the high serial number would mean that my piece was released towards the very end of the production. I guess that would somewhat explain the nice condition it is in, inside and out.

By the way, are there any modern aftermarket parts (mainly barrels and cylinders) available for these? I know that Navy Arms / Uberti make a copy of the "Third Model" with a barrel/cylinder that look the same. Would these parts fit? I was told that they wouldn't, but I'm looking for a second opinion (after all, if it is a perfect copy of the S&W, then it should be an exact fit).

fortkevin2 · August 26, 2009, 12:56 AM

Just wondering if someone had any info on the 4D70XX serial number on my model 10. Thanks!

FlyFish · August 26, 2009, 07:08 AM

fortkevin2: 1979, which would make it a 10-7 if it has the tapered barrel, 10-8 if the heavy barrel. The full model number should be stamped on the part of the frame that's exposed when you swing the cylinder out. It should also have a pinned barrel.

August 20, 2009, 10:38 AM	#1752
mstrain Junior Member Join Date: August 20, 2009 Posts: 1	S&W manufacture date? I too need a date of manufacture for a new purchase. S&W M&P SN C341***. Thanks to anyone that can give me a hand.

August 24, 2009, 02:44 PM	#1764
gunhappy Member Join Date: September 10, 2004 Posts: 84	ok i'll play 686-3 Sn#:BNS35XX. Thanks in advance.

August 24, 2009, 07:35 PM	#1767
gunhappy Member Join Date: September 10, 2004 Posts: 84	thanx Jim I appreciate your speed and willingness to help.

August 25, 2009, 09:13 AM	#1769
stigp6 Junior Member Join Date: August 25, 2009 Posts: 4	S&W Model 10 - what year? Got a model 10 recently with serial number S 9192xx in blue finish. here's some pics

August 26, 2009, 12:56 AM	#1774
fortkevin2 Senior Member Join Date: February 12, 2008 Location: NC Posts: 318	S&W model 10 Just wondering if someone had any info on the 4D70XX serial number on my model 10. Thanks!

August 19, 2009, 10:35 PM	#1751
Wildekarrde Junior Member Join Date: August 13, 2009 Posts: 2	@Layton J1 Regarding the S&W 32 I have, its a hand ejector (sn 59XXX)

August 20, 2009, 10:53 AM	#1753
FlyFish Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Overlooking the Baker River Valley Posts: 1,727	mstrain: Between 1954 (C277555) and 1956 (C402923).

August 23, 2009, 09:25 AM	#1754
CraCZ Member Join Date: August 11, 2006 Location: tucson Posts: 56	flyfish could you help date my S&W model 15-3 2"-# is 14K30xx-many thanks

August 23, 2009, 10:46 AM	#1755
FlyFish Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Overlooking the Baker River Valley Posts: 1,727	CraCZ: 1977, sir.

August 23, 2009, 02:44 PM	#1756
gasmitty Junior Member Join Date: August 23, 2009 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 2	Looking for mfg date on a pair of M64s. 4" 64-3, S/N AWW3xxx 2" 64-4, DAO, S/N BEK8xxx The 64-3 was allegedly a police turn-in, although I have no way to verify that. The 64-4 appears to be a factory DAO version. Any help is appreciated!

August 23, 2009, 04:11 PM	#1757
FlyFish Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Overlooking the Baker River Valley Posts: 1,727	gasmitty: AWW . . . 1987 BEK . . . 1989

August 23, 2009, 04:55 PM	#1758
gasmitty Junior Member Join Date: August 23, 2009 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 2	FlyFish, thank you!

August 23, 2009, 09:53 PM	#1759
KPK Junior Member Join Date: August 23, 2009 Posts: 3	How about a M19 Ser. # K618xxx and a M60 Ser. #R129xxx Also what dashes? Thanks!

August 24, 2009, 07:22 AM	#1761
KPK Junior Member Join Date: August 23, 2009 Posts: 3	Thanks Layton. What would these be worth? The 19 is in good shape other than some blue wear on the muzzle and cylinder and the 60 is 90%, but doesn't have the original grips.

August 24, 2009, 11:48 AM	#1762
BlackJack Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 1999 Location: FL Posts: 168	How about the date on a Model 17 no dash, SN: K4014xx?

August 24, 2009, 06:51 PM	#1766
BlackJack Senior Member Join Date: November 16, 1999 Location: FL Posts: 168	Hey flyfish, I'm not sure if it's right or left hand thread and I'm hesitant to put torque on the rod to find out. The gun is tight and works properly so I think I'll call it 1960. The only other clue I can provide is there is a letter "H" on the frame just above the serial number where the ejector rod rests if that helps. Below the serial number it clearly says MOD-17 with nothing following.

August 25, 2009, 07:45 AM	#1768
FlyFish Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Overlooking the Baker River Valley Posts: 1,727	Blackjack: I can certainly understand that you don't want to go messing around disassembling your revolver to check on the threads, but that may not be necessary. The newer left-hand thread rods have a slightly different shape from the older right-hand ones. The difference is that the right-hand rods don't change in diameter between the knurled end and the main part of the shaft, but the left-hand ones have a narrowed area between the two parts. I believe that's not an absolute rule, but that it does apply in most cases. These two photos show the difference: Here's the right-hand threaded rod on a Model 17: And this one's the left-hand threaded rod on a 17-3: My guess (and its only that), is that the 1960 production date based on the S/N is correct, and if you have a left-hand threaded ejector it may be a 17-1 mis-marked as a 17. It wouldn't be the first time the wrong model number has been stamped. The alternative, I guess, is that they made up a 17 from parts in stock during what would have otherwise been the period when they were producing 17-1s. There are some folks here that know tons more about this than I do, so perhaps they can offer an opinion. BTW, nice gun regardless of whatever the real story might be.

August 25, 2009, 09:31 AM	#1770
FlyFish Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Overlooking the Baker River Valley Posts: 1,727	stigp6: 1945 to 1948, with the S/N range being from S811120 to S999999 - so toward the middle part of that time period is more likely, but it's not possible to be sure. Good photo of a right-hand threaded ejector rod, by the way.

August 25, 2009, 01:50 PM	#1771
762_mm Junior Member Join Date: August 25, 2009 Posts: 2	Hello everyone, I am new to this forum, but I have been active on other (canadian) firearm forums for years now. I have been collecting/accumulating firearms for some time now, both handguns and rifles (mostly WW2 relics). Recently, I have developed a taste for the truly antique side of collecting and have bought my first antique revolver (French 1892 Service Revolver). Despite being over 100 years old, I really enjoyed that gun... so recently, when opportunity came, I bought my first antique S&W, but know nothing about it and need your help. My gun is a S&W DA First Model, has a 4" barrel and a longer cylinder that can accept .44 special ammo as well as the regular .44 Russian. Despite being old, it has a modern looking S&W logo on the right side (the logo also says "Trade Mark") and "44 S&W CTG" on the left side of the barrel. Serial number on the grip is 475XX (5 digit serial, no letters). I would be very appreciative is someone could tell me a little about this gun; with it's short barrel and longer cylinder, it looks like it was built specifically for self-defense in the old days, I would say. Thanks in advance!

August 26, 2009, 12:30 AM	#1773
762_mm Junior Member Join Date: August 25, 2009 Posts: 2	Perfect, thank you very much for the info, Jim. I figured that the gun must be newer production at the very least, because it looks somewhat more modern than the rest of them. Maybe it's just the shorter barrel that gives it that appearance. I guess that the high serial number would mean that my piece was released towards the very end of the production. I guess that would somewhat explain the nice condition it is in, inside and out. By the way, are there any modern aftermarket parts (mainly barrels and cylinders) available for these? I know that Navy Arms / Uberti make a copy of the "Third Model" with a barrel/cylinder that look the same. Would these parts fit? I was told that they wouldn't, but I'm looking for a second opinion (after all, if it is a perfect copy of the S&W, then it should be an exact fit).

August 26, 2009, 07:08 AM	#1775
FlyFish Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Overlooking the Baker River Valley Posts: 1,727	fortkevin2: 1979, which would make it a 10-7 if it has the tapered barrel, 10-8 if the heavy barrel. The full model number should be stamped on the part of the frame that's exposed when you swing the cylinder out. It should also have a pinned barrel.

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