New shotshell hulls from range

Lhigginsqrb · August 28, 2021, 02:08 PM

I went clay shooting today. Did pretty bad. Maybe 80% breaks with a lot of weak breaks.

Anyway they let me have all the hulls I want. Picked maybe 500-800 and left that many more. I didn’t sort them, just grabbed and went.

I got a few win aa which I’m told are great. Once I get 100 I’ll do a batch. Lots of federal. Some Remington. A ton of these challenger hulls. I’ll upload some pictures soon. I’m trying to get some opinions on which if these if any should be tossed. I’m only loading hunting rounds so I want good hulls. The issue is the recipes get specific so I’m not going to buy wads for them specifically unless they are worth loading a few times. Let’s say 5 runs of 100 or something for the sake of arguement. I know I can get more later I’m just saying.

Lhigginsqrb · August 28, 2021, 02:48 PM

I still can’t upload pictures. But specifically what I have is:

Remington nitro handicap
Challenger from Canada
Winchester USA
Remington gun club
Then federal

FITASC · August 28, 2021, 02:51 PM

Remingtons and Winchester AA (NOT the other Winchesters) all use the same load data as they are the only hulls that are tapered inside. All of the others are straight-walled hulls and require different wads to perform properly. European hulls have metric sized primers and generally speaking do not do well with US made primers. The same is true is you reload US hulls with Euro ones, they tend to stretch the primer pocket a little and you will need to use Euro primers going forward.

FITASC · August 28, 2021, 02:52 PM

As to number of reloads, I get 10-12 from my Remingtons and Winchester AA hulls. Most Euro hulls are typically good for 2-3

mehavey · August 28, 2021, 03:36 PM

Remington GUN CLUB and Winchester AA load effectively the same.
Save that Gun Club are steel base and need to be "conditioned" maybe at 5th loading.*

I also switch back & forth (Skeet loads, mind you) with Fiochi 616/Fed209A and Win209 primers w/o much effect.
(Ditto use of "* below.)

*
Either THIS from Ballistic Products, or THIS from your garage.
Note I wouldn't have had to do this just two years ago since I'd just w/ a single brand/type.
Nowadays -- you eat whatever you can scrounge

Lhigginsqrb · August 28, 2021, 03:42 PM

Nice.

So for the sake of argument if I reloaded the challengers with American primers what specifically wound happen? I may be ok with a one and done reload on those since I have so many. I regretted picking them as soon as I saw Canada on them lol.

mehavey · August 28, 2021, 04:05 PM

See here to start the conversation re Challenger/Cheddite:
https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/vie...f=248&t=401508

Then go to https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/rel...c=true&type=55

Use Euro primers if possible, or that 3/8" ratchet extension to "condition" the primer pockets a bit smaller anything smaller.

Lhigginsqrb · August 28, 2021, 04:31 PM

So The guy seem to be speaking more or less favorably of them. Probably I won’t need to use them because I have so many of the others that I may play with them just to see. Or I might just toss them and try to get more of the others. I’m driving back to tn with these do space matters.

Thanks for the info.

August 28, 2021, 02:08 PM	#1
Lhigginsqrb Member Join Date: August 10, 2021 Posts: 81	New shotshell hulls from range I went clay shooting today. Did pretty bad. Maybe 80% breaks with a lot of weak breaks. Anyway they let me have all the hulls I want. Picked maybe 500-800 and left that many more. I didn’t sort them, just grabbed and went. I got a few win aa which I’m told are great. Once I get 100 I’ll do a batch. Lots of federal. Some Remington. A ton of these challenger hulls. I’ll upload some pictures soon. I’m trying to get some opinions on which if these if any should be tossed. I’m only loading hunting rounds so I want good hulls. The issue is the recipes get specific so I’m not going to buy wads for them specifically unless they are worth loading a few times. Let’s say 5 runs of 100 or something for the sake of arguement. I know I can get more later I’m just saying.

August 28, 2021, 02:51 PM	#3
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	Remingtons and Winchester AA (NOT the other Winchesters) all use the same load data as they are the only hulls that are tapered inside. All of the others are straight-walled hulls and require different wads to perform properly. European hulls have metric sized primers and generally speaking do not do well with US made primers. The same is true is you reload US hulls with Euro ones, they tend to stretch the primer pocket a little and you will need to use Euro primers going forward. __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

August 28, 2021, 02:52 PM	#4
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,441	As to number of reloads, I get 10-12 from my Remingtons and Winchester AA hulls. Most Euro hulls are typically good for 2-3 __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

August 28, 2021, 02:48 PM	#2
Lhigginsqrb Member Join Date: August 10, 2021 Posts: 81	I still can’t upload pictures. But specifically what I have is: Remington nitro handicap Challenger from Canada Winchester USA Remington gun club Then federal

August 28, 2021, 03:36 PM	#5
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,883	Remington GUN CLUB and Winchester AA load effectively the same. Save that Gun Club are steel base and need to be "conditioned" maybe at 5th loading.* I also switch back & forth (Skeet loads, mind you) with Fiochi 616/Fed209A and Win209 primers w/o much effect. (Ditto use of "* below.) * Either THIS from Ballistic Products, or THIS from your garage. Note I wouldn't have had to do this just two years ago since I'd just w/ a single brand/type. Nowadays -- you eat whatever you can scrounge

August 28, 2021, 03:42 PM	#6
Lhigginsqrb Member Join Date: August 10, 2021 Posts: 81	Nice. So for the sake of argument if I reloaded the challengers with American primers what specifically wound happen? I may be ok with a one and done reload on those since I have so many. I regretted picking them as soon as I saw Canada on them lol.

August 28, 2021, 04:05 PM	#7
mehavey Senior Member Join Date: June 17, 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 6,883	See here to start the conversation re Challenger/Cheddite: https://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/vie...f=248&t=401508 Then go to https://www.hodgdonreloading.com/rel...c=true&type=55 Use Euro primers if possible, or that 3/8" ratchet extension to "condition" the primer pockets a bit smaller anything smaller.

August 28, 2021, 04:31 PM	#8
Lhigginsqrb Member Join Date: August 10, 2021 Posts: 81	So The guy seem to be speaking more or less favorably of them. Probably I won’t need to use them because I have so many of the others that I may play with them just to see. Or I might just toss them and try to get more of the others. I’m driving back to tn with these do space matters. Thanks for the info.