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Old May 18, 2018, 08:35 PM   #51
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Love my CM9. I only carry when small size is necessary. It has been a perfect pistol. No Failures of any kind. Extremely easy and accurate to shoot for such a small pistol.
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Old May 18, 2018, 09:50 PM   #52
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Is the PM9 smaller than the Shield?
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Old May 18, 2018, 09:56 PM   #53
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Yes Pm9 is more pocketable than Shield, though about the same weight IIRC
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Old May 20, 2018, 05:54 PM   #54
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The PM9 may be a different example than my CW380 experience, I however would decline one if it were offered to me free. I literally threw mine at the target after the 12th or 20th varying jam.

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Old May 21, 2018, 04:17 AM   #55
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Yes Pm9 is more pocketable than Shield, though about the same weight IIRC
I do not own the Kahr, but do own a Nano. Here is apic for comparison between the Shield. The Kahr is about the same size of the Nano, but a tad shorter. The Shield IMO should be compared to say the Ruger LC9S as both have a longer OAL.
stock photo

Here is a comparison of. Note recoil. However also consider muzzle rise in a small gun.



Courtesy Genitron.

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Old May 30, 2018, 04:03 PM   #56
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I am a little late to the party, but I wanted to chime in. I own a black diamond PM9, I bought seven years ago. About a year before th CM9 came out. I have heard nothing but great things about the CM9. The PM9 I have is super smooth, and super accurate for such a small gun. You did not say what uses you had in mind or what caliber. You can pocket carry the cm9/pm9. I also have a black diamond P45. All the pistols I mentioned are great carry guns. I like the premium models over the c models because of better quality parts and the kicker was, the Value series Kahrs have a five year warranty, and the premium models have a lifetime warranty. That tells me a lot. Depends on your needs, and how much you want to spend. Kahrs are good pistols. They do need a 200 round break in period.
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Old June 5, 2018, 07:50 AM   #57
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Worst firing pistol I ever owned was a Kahr C series.

- Didn't cycle properly
- Didn't shoot well (in my hands)
- Had a really gritty trigger
- Was really unpleasant to shoot

Haven't bought one since.
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Old June 5, 2018, 09:58 PM   #58
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Ha! Every Kahr I've had had zero issues....except that CW9....I couldn't hit anything with it. Had no problems with the CW45, PM9, MK9, CM9. LOVED that MK9!
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Old June 6, 2018, 05:13 AM   #59
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I’ve had a cw9 kahr for a long with no troubles what so ever. I believe kahr says their pistols have a break in period,mine was ok from the start.
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Old June 6, 2018, 02:42 PM   #60
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Only Kahr I ever used was a PM380, trying it out before buying it. The guy said he'd only run about 300 rounds and it was recently cleaned. In 100 rounds of Federal FMJ I had 7 light primer strikes, and two misfeeds. I didn't buy it! And later learned that the Kahr 380s seem to have a really spotty reliability history.

On the other hand I hear almost constantly good reviews of the CM/PM9 models, over thousands of rounds.

I have a Walther PPS M2 that I really like, but except for a 0.3" width difference it's really no smaller than the double stack I usually carry. I want to step down in size but stay with 9mm. The CM9 seems to be about the smallest 9mm I can find anywhere, so maybe I"ll seriously look into getting one. It would be strictly for backup duty, or "have to wear a suit" duty

I suppose I could pay 2x the amount to get a P365...
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Old June 6, 2018, 10:30 PM   #61
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Ohio Guy, I recommend the Glock 43. Smaller than the Kahr with no issues. The P365 shoots better, but it’s a bit more expensive and I want to wait and see if SIG has really fixed it.
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Old June 8, 2018, 06:45 PM   #62
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The Kahr CM9 is smaller than the Glock 43:

Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 6+1
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.0", conventional rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.42"
Height: 4.0"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 14 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces.

In fact the larger Kahr Model CW9 is still shorter & thinner than the Glock 43 (albeit .25" taller)

Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 7+1
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.565", conventional rifling; 1-10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.9"
Height: 4.5"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 15.8 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces

As is the "premium" Kahr P9:

Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 7+1
Operation: Trigger cocking DAO; lock breech; "Browning - type" recoil lug; passive striker block; no magazine disconnect
Barrel: 3.565", polygonal rifling; 1 - 10 right-hand twist
Length O/A: 5.8"
Height: 4.5"
Slide Width: .90"
Weight: Pistol 15 ounces, Magazine 1.9 ounces

Glock 43 Specs:

•Caliber: 9×19 (9mm) (6+1)
•Length: 6.26”
•Slide Length: 6.06”
•Height: 4.25”
•Width: 1.02”
•Slide Width: .87”
•Barrel: 3.39”
•Weight: 17.95oz. (w/empty magazine)

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Old June 8, 2018, 09:42 PM   #63
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Huh. G43 still pocketable. I remember my Kahr CM and PM being heavier and bulkier.

Do not consider Shield or Kahr P9 to be pocketable. Height is a crucial dimension.

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Old June 9, 2018, 07:27 PM   #64
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The Glock 46
Gun Dimensions Width: 1.02-in
Length: 6.26-in Height: 4.25-in
Barrel: 3.39-in Weight: 17.95-oz

6.2 is long Definitely bigger than the top three in all areas. Even the LC9S is shorter and slimmer.
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Old June 9, 2018, 08:04 PM   #65
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I have quite a few Kahr's 380's to 45's. Had 2 FTE's on a CT-380 at the 50 round mark and fine since now at 300 rounds. No other issues they always go bang! Kahr was my EDC for quite awhile but have gone to M&Pc in 357SIG. The Kahr's were fine I just wanted more capacity and a smokin little round!
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Old June 9, 2018, 08:18 PM   #66
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I have a P9 and a PM9. Both have been flawless. I carry one or the other almost every day.
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Old June 10, 2018, 12:24 AM   #67
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LC9s also works in the pocket, despite taller height than G43. It’s more streamlined in the rear, less chance of hooking than the Shield.
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Old June 10, 2018, 06:34 AM   #68
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Mine just keep on keeping on. That and the g42 share pocket duty. I shoot the glock marginally faster but accuracy is the same..

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Old June 19, 2018, 02:20 PM   #69
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I had a CW45 ... Great pistol .. Ran about 200 flawless rounds through it .. And my buddy had a nice Security Six ... Yep .. I traded ...
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Old June 20, 2018, 08:17 AM   #70
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Would trade my CW45 for the nice Service Six I gifted to my son 25 years ago in a heartbeat, but yours truly did not raise a dummy.
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Old June 20, 2018, 08:51 AM   #71
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I had a CW45 ... Great pistol .. Ran about 200 flawless rounds through it .. And my buddy had a nice Security Six ... Yep .. I traded ...
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Old June 21, 2018, 12:56 AM   #72
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CM9

Bought a used CM9 maybe 4-5 years ago and it is still my primary carry. I went from a scandium J frame revolver with funky sights to the CM9.

It's never had a failure to fire, extract, or eject unless I was experimenting with strange handloads.

The trigger travel may be "long" compared to other striker fired or other semi autos, but it is lighter and smoother than DA on most revolvers. Especially in comparison to a J frame revolver. There's no over-travel after the trigger breaks which is something that most other semis have to do aftermarket stuff for. For me it is one of the most accurate pistols I have if I'm doing slow fire. I can pull off ~1 inch groups at 7 yards (may not be impressive but it's pretty good for me). It's way faster to reload than a j frame, carries flatter.

I can pocket carry it everywhere. The only time I don't is when I run out of comfy pants/clothes and all I have are the annoying tight pants. Or if I attempt to jog in gym shorts. It doesn't hurt my hand to shoot (unlike a j frame) and unlike the videos say, I don't get a failure to feed if I rack the slide by hand.

I would say a scandium snubby is a little lighter but not worth 2-3x the price.
At the time it was the smallest thinnest 9mm and I think it might still be.
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Old June 21, 2018, 04:40 AM   #73
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I bought a Kahr P9 in 9mm right after they came out in the spring of 2000.

I bought a used Kahr K9 from a friend in 2010. (I’m at least the 3rd owner. The K9 has the Birdsong Black-Teflon finish and XS big dot night sights)

I bought a used Kahr T9 from a different friend in 2012. This particular gun had very few rounds through it. (He bought the gun for his wife, who really wasn’t interested, and they they got divorced and he didn’t want to keep the gun because he was afraid it had crazy on it. It seems okay to me)

I've fired all three guns a lot without any problems (particularly the original P9) (I usually run about 500 rnds a year through each gun). A few years ago I standardized on the Glock 43 for off duty carry, so I haven’t carried any of the Kahr pistols “for real” since.

The Kahr trigger stroke is a little weird and some people really don’t like it. I was able to adjust to the trigger stroke without any problems. There is no sear reset, and that drives some people crazy. The trigger reminds me of a stock Smith & Wesson M&P pistol.

I like the Kahr pistols for concealment purposes because they're THIN. I have big hands and long fingers. Oddly enough, the Kahr K9 or P9 feels MUCH better in my hand than a Glock 26 or 27. YMMV

Anecdotal evidence would suggest that Kahr pistols in calibers other than 9mm or in the smaller frame sizes sometimes have functioning and reliability issues.

I have a friend who bought a very slightly used Kahr CW9 and he had problems with it malfunctioning – oftentimes the slide would not go fully into battery. He took it to a gunsmith a few times and tried other springs and nothing worked.

I finally borrowed it and put 600 rnds of NATO spec 9mm ball through it, and the problem went away. The gun just needed to be broken in a little. I DID find that the gun worked better initially if I loaded the 7 round magazines with only 6 rounds to begin with. The spring tension was very high and I suspect it was impeding slide travel, causing the failure to go into battery.

Research on several forums devoted to the Kahr pistols revealed that this was a common problem. I did not experience such problem with my new P9 or the other used guns I bought.
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Old June 21, 2018, 07:13 AM   #74
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I like the Kahr pistols for concealment purposes because they're THIN. I have big hands and long fingers. Oddly enough, the Kahr K9 or P9 feels MUCH better in my hand than a Glock 26 or 27.
Same-same. What's funny is... after the success I had with the CW9, I bought a P45, intending it to be my primary carry piece, but the ever so slight size differences between the two... I was back to the CW9. I don't know why, but the P45 did not fit my hand as well as the CW9, and it never made it to the carry roster.
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