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August 14, 2021, 07:32 AM | #1 |
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What's happening with Marlin?
Haven't seen anything new from Ruger, what gives?
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August 14, 2021, 10:33 AM | #2 |
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Last I read was that they were shooting for a winter introduction of the Ruger built Marlin rifles. If you haven't already, you can sign up for Marlin updates at this link.
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August 14, 2021, 03:19 PM | #3 |
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I received an announcement from Ruger about 4-5 months ago. They said they are evaluating the machinery they got in the sale, planning on how to put them into a facility, and planning on re-introducing the 39A, 336, 1894, and 1895 when they get back in operation. Bolt action rimfires may follow at some future time. The 60 is dead at this point (but Magtech is making a clone if you just gotta have one). Their target date for rifles being on the market was 2024 IIRC.
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August 15, 2021, 08:44 AM | #4 |
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Well, I'm jest hoping the new lever-action Ruglins will be built with a much higher level of Q.C. than the Remlins were.
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August 15, 2021, 09:15 AM | #5 |
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Marlin has been sending out news and videos on their move. Taking all the equipment, setting it up, and getting ready for production.
8/7/2021 video https://www.instagram.com/p/CSXcTmFLqOq/
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With all the hatred for Remington (from me as well), people tend to forget that Marlin had its own problems, and had periods of time with terrible quality. The 2014+ Remlins were on par with average Marlin quality. There were just some different processes used to produce some of the parts - like the laser checkered stocks, and that gawdawful barcode on the side of the receiver. It wasn't all Remington, either. I've had discussions with several people involved in the nightmare under Freedom Group. The guys in charge of Marlin really wanted to improve the products, but were held back by the umbrella group's push for maximum profit. Remington was the wall where the requests were denied, but they wanted to improve Marlin and Remington quality, as well. The denials came from the top. For example, the rear barrel band screws on 336s had bad heat treating and were brittle. Marlin knew about this. Remington knew about this, because it effected some screws on Remington products. It took three years to get the request for a different heat treat process approved for Marlin, because it had a trickle down effect that changed the process for 336 and 1895 tip cap screws, as well. That trickle-down effect meant an increased production cost of a few cents per rifle. A few cents. It took three years to approve a change in heat treating, because it cost a few cents per rifle. Bankruptcy was always the way it was going to end for Remington and Marlin (and subordinates), once Freedom/Cerberus bought them. That was always the way it would end. But the people in charge of the brands and model lines were fighting to be able to put out better products.
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Besides, Ruger bought Marlin because they wanted to get into the lever action market, which is increasingly dominated by Henry and Rossi due to affordable price.
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I am sorry, but I think your argument is completely nonsensical. I see it all the time.
"Ruger already makes the 10-22 and 77/22, so they don't care about the Marlin model 60 or XTs." They are different designs. They fit different niches. They have different price points. They have their own markets. 10-22 is a detachable magazine rifle, generally in the low mid-range market. Model 60 is a tubular magazine rifle, generally in the 'budget' market. 77/22 is a detachable rotary magazine rifle, generally in the high mid-range market. XT-22 is a detachable box magazine rifle, solidly in the 'budget' category. The 77/22 is not a popular rifle. They are considered quite expensive for a bolt action .22, by the majority of shoppers. The 77/22 is more of a niche product than mass market. The XT-22, however, was very popular. Almost as popular as the Model 60 (which usually outsold the 10-22, because of price point). The XT-22 is a very simple design that is easy to produce and was still profitable with a $200 price tag, while a $200 77/22 is an incomplete pile of rusty parts - because it is more complicated and much more expensive to produce. There is room in the market for ALL of them to be sold side by side. Because they do, after all, fit in different markets. To me, "Ruger doesn't want to make the Model 60, because they make the 10-22," is like saying, "Springfield Armory doesn't want to make Hi-Powers, because they already make 1911s." From a very distant vantage point, they look the same and do the same thing. 'Handgun. Bang. Bang.' But anyone that knows what those designs are will instantly recognize why there is room in the market for both of them.
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I don't have any inside scoop on Ruger's plans, but I do know that the 77/22 rimfire has been out of production for a few years now, it was discontinued shortly after the Ruger American rimfire was introduced. There is a 77/22 Hornet and two 17 caliber rimfires, but not the 22LR.
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If you're on instagram check out https://www.instagram.com/marlinfirearmsofficial/?hl=en
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all fine and dandy, but its all moot points w/o ammo.
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Ammo is readily available, but not at prices you saw 2 years ago
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Who knows? Maybe we will see the 10-22 get microgroove rifling.... or a version of the model 60 that utilizes a 10-22 magazine.... A 795 with a Walnut stock would be a good thing...Let's all hope for good surprises.
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The Marlin levers are coming back. Greatest news, will have Ruger barrels and rifling. No more micro-groove.
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Wow! Those Ruger folks are no dummies.
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Springfield has been out of Brazil for some years now. They say "Made in USA" but that might be a bit elastic on rough forging procurement.
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I meant to say forging, but still good to know.
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*Poof* Goes from 'made in 16 different countries outside of the US' to "Made in USA".
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