German Drilling

BarkeyVA · August 31, 2014, 03:15 PM

Thought folks here might be interested in seeing a few photos of my recently acquired 16 ga. over 9.3x72R German drilling. Came with a pop-up peep sight behind the top lever, claw-type scope mounts and the birds eye maple case. Gotthilf v. Nordheim, Mehlis I/Thur and Krupp stahl stamped on the barrels. Tight lock-up, but some minor pitting just in front of the 2-9/16" chambers. I was told that the 6 07 stamped on the barrels indicates it was proofed in June 1907.

I've shot it, and everything works as it should. Paid $1340 for it including shipping and transfer. Not sure if that is a good deal or not, but this is my first drilling, and I'm pleased with my purchase.

kilimanjaro · August 31, 2014, 03:51 PM

Never listen to anyone who says 'you paid too much' for something you will only see once or twice in your lifetime.

Nice piece.

JWT · August 31, 2014, 05:33 PM

Something is worth what you are willing to pay for it. Looks very nice to me.

g.willikers · August 31, 2014, 05:54 PM

That's not something often seen sitting around a gun store.
But where's the picture of the neat business end?
That's what makes it valuable.
Doesn't sound like you paid too much at all, especially with the extras.
Very neat, cool, special, 'etc.
Thanks for sharing.

Jim Watson · August 31, 2014, 06:35 PM

9.5mm is kind of unusual, the Continentals didn't do much with .375 even though it comes out even in both inch and metric.

RaySendero · September 1, 2014, 08:26 AM

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Jim Watson wrote:
9.5mm is kind of unusual, the Continentals didn't do much with .375 even though it comes out even in both inch and metric.

Yes - 9.5 is very unusual!

That box says 9.3x72R.

BarkeyVA · September 1, 2014, 08:55 AM

Don't know how I missed seeing that I typed 9.5. It is definitely 9.3.

Interestingly, I tried shooting two of the 7 cartridges that came with the gun and both FTF. My friend gave me two "new" cartridges and they both fired. My friend tried shooting my two FTF cartridges in his 9.3x72R rifle, and they didn't work in his gun either.

I need to order a box of factory 9.3x72R's.

Jim Watson · September 1, 2014, 09:18 AM

I could not blow up the picture enough to read the ammo box label.
9.3 was a much more common caliber in Germany with several different cartridges. 9.3x72R is the most common.

wogpotter · September 1, 2014, 10:34 AM

Isn't that a combination gun, rather than a drilling?
I thought that by definition a drillig was 3-barreled.

/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combination_gun

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Drillings normally consists of two matching shotgun barrels and a rifle barrel (German: Normaldrilling, common drilling), but may cover a much broader range of shapes and configurations:[2]
· Two matching rifle barrels and one shotgun barrel
· Two rifle barrels of different calibers (typically one rimfire and one centerfire) and one shotgun barrel
· Three matching shotgun barrels
· Three matching rifle barrels

Jim Watson · September 1, 2014, 11:08 AM

Looks like three barrels to me.

Savage99 · September 1, 2014, 11:37 AM

Drillings are sweet when the hunting includes both rifle and shotgun game.

I have used mine to take birds, small game and deer. The season opens early in VT for bear and birds are open at that time also. I carry mine but have not got a shot at a bear yet.

BarkeyVA · September 1, 2014, 11:46 AM

This one is a 16 ga. sxs shotgun over the rifle barrel. Front trigger fires the right shotgun barrel and also fires the rifle when the top lever is pushed to the right. Back trigger fires the left barrel.

Savage99, when was your drilling made, and what length shotgun shells do you use for upland birds?

Savage99 · September 1, 2014, 02:44 PM

Mine may be a pre war. It's a Sauer 16X16X8X57JR with the short euro shot chambers. I have shot the regular 16's in it but now I have some of the shorter shells. They were made in New Hampshire.

BarkeyVA · September 1, 2014, 03:10 PM

Pretty gun. Did you buy it complete with scope mount (claw?) and scope?

Smoke & Recoil · September 1, 2014, 04:26 PM

It's great to see others using their drilling too. Mine is a Kreighoff in
16x16 with 8x57 jr (.318) diameter. I have mounted a scope to it
using Sako mounts, but it just done nothing for the appearance of
such a nice drilling. I do reload for the 8mm, but by gush I paid a
good deal of money to RCBS to do so.

wogpotter · September 1, 2014, 05:48 PM

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Looks like three barrels to me.

Where? the owner says :

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16 ga. over 9.5x72R

What's the other barrel?

BarkeyVA · September 1, 2014, 06:47 PM

Per my recent post, 16 ga. sxs means two 16 ga. barrels side by side over the 9.3x72R rifle barrel for a total of 3 barrels. Sorry I didn't post a photo more clearly showing 3 barrels ( 16x16x9.3x72R).

Savage99 · September 1, 2014, 07:10 PM

I got it with that 4X Hensoldt and 1X Weaver. I handload for the 8X57JR and make bullets from 32 Special's that are just about ready at .320". I also have some Norma .318" bullets.

However it's most accurate with the 196 gr Norma factory load.

I have had it for about 50 years or more.

BarkeyVA · September 1, 2014, 07:19 PM

wogpotter, if you look at the last two photo's I posted, the top and bottom barrels are 16 ga. smoothbore barrels with the rifle barrel in the middle of the two shotgun barrels.

James K · September 1, 2014, 08:21 PM

Now an over-under shotgun and rifle barrel would really be unusual!!

Jim

Jim Watson · September 1, 2014, 09:16 PM

Yes, but they are out there.

Savage99 · September 1, 2014, 11:27 PM

Drilling

BarkeyVA · September 2, 2014, 07:59 AM

this company apparently can make any combination gun you want--3 barrels, 4 barrels, 0/U/U, etc.
http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/cus...les/index.html

wogpotter · September 2, 2014, 08:56 AM

OK got it thanks.

mapsjanhere · September 2, 2014, 11:17 AM

Couple additional remarks on the proof marks. The 118,35 is the gauge value of a 9.3 mm barrel. The 1007 is probably the control number for the gun in the Zella-Mehlis proof house books. It's mark seems to be on the locking hook.

August 31, 2014, 03:15 PM	#1
BarkeyVA Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2008 Location: Southeastern Virginia Posts: 123	German Drilling Thought folks here might be interested in seeing a few photos of my recently acquired 16 ga. over 9.3x72R German drilling. Came with a pop-up peep sight behind the top lever, claw-type scope mounts and the birds eye maple case. Gotthilf v. Nordheim, Mehlis I/Thur and Krupp stahl stamped on the barrels. Tight lock-up, but some minor pitting just in front of the 2-9/16" chambers. I was told that the 6 07 stamped on the barrels indicates it was proofed in June 1907. I've shot it, and everything works as it should. Paid $1340 for it including shipping and transfer. Not sure if that is a good deal or not, but this is my first drilling, and I'm pleased with my purchase. Last edited by BarkeyVA; September 2, 2014 at 12:57 PM.

August 31, 2014, 05:54 PM	#4
g.willikers Senior Member Join Date: September 28, 2008 Posts: 10,442	That's not something often seen sitting around a gun store. But where's the picture of the neat business end? That's what makes it valuable. Doesn't sound like you paid too much at all, especially with the extras. Very neat, cool, special, 'etc. Thanks for sharing. __________________ Walt Kelly, alias Pogo, sez: “Don't take life so serious, son, it ain't nohow permanent.”

September 1, 2014, 02:44 PM	#13
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	Mine may be a pre war. It's a Sauer 16X16X8X57JR with the short euro shot chambers. I have shot the regular 16's in it but now I have some of the shorter shells. They were made in New Hampshire. Last edited by Savage99; September 1, 2014 at 02:56 PM.

September 1, 2014, 04:26 PM	#15
Smoke & Recoil Senior Member Join Date: August 23, 2008 Location: East shore of Lake Michigan. Posts: 714	Drillings...oh yeah ! It's great to see others using their drilling too. Mine is a Kreighoff in 16x16 with 8x57 jr (.318) diameter. I have mounted a scope to it using Sako mounts, but it just done nothing for the appearance of such a nice drilling. I do reload for the 8mm, but by gush I paid a good deal of money to RCBS to do so.

September 2, 2014, 08:56 AM	#24
wogpotter Senior Member Join Date: September 27, 2004 Posts: 4,811	OK got it thanks. __________________ Allan Quatermain: “Automatic rifles. Who in God's name has automatic rifles”? Elderly Hunter: “That's dashed unsporting. Probably Belgium.”

August 31, 2014, 03:51 PM	#2
kilimanjaro Senior Member Join Date: November 23, 2009 Posts: 3,963	Never listen to anyone who says 'you paid too much' for something you will only see once or twice in your lifetime. Nice piece.

August 31, 2014, 05:33 PM	#3
JWT Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2007 Location: Southern Arizona Posts: 3,888	Something is worth what you are willing to pay for it. Looks very nice to me.

August 31, 2014, 06:35 PM	#5
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	9.5mm is kind of unusual, the Continentals didn't do much with .375 even though it comes out even in both inch and metric.

September 1, 2014, 08:55 AM	#7
BarkeyVA Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2008 Location: Southeastern Virginia Posts: 123	Don't know how I missed seeing that I typed 9.5. It is definitely 9.3. Interestingly, I tried shooting two of the 7 cartridges that came with the gun and both FTF. My friend gave me two "new" cartridges and they both fired. My friend tried shooting my two FTF cartridges in his 9.3x72R rifle, and they didn't work in his gun either. I need to order a box of factory 9.3x72R's.

September 1, 2014, 09:18 AM	#8
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	I could not blow up the picture enough to read the ammo box label. 9.3 was a much more common caliber in Germany with several different cartridges. 9.3x72R is the most common.

September 1, 2014, 11:08 AM	#10
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Looks like three barrels to me.

September 1, 2014, 11:37 AM	#11
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	Drillings are sweet when the hunting includes both rifle and shotgun game. I have used mine to take birds, small game and deer. The season opens early in VT for bear and birds are open at that time also. I carry mine but have not got a shot at a bear yet.

September 1, 2014, 11:46 AM	#12
BarkeyVA Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2008 Location: Southeastern Virginia Posts: 123	This one is a 16 ga. sxs shotgun over the rifle barrel. Front trigger fires the right shotgun barrel and also fires the rifle when the top lever is pushed to the right. Back trigger fires the left barrel. Savage99, when was your drilling made, and what length shotgun shells do you use for upland birds?

September 1, 2014, 03:10 PM	#14
BarkeyVA Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2008 Location: Southeastern Virginia Posts: 123	Pretty gun. Did you buy it complete with scope mount (claw?) and scope?

September 1, 2014, 06:47 PM	#17
BarkeyVA Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2008 Location: Southeastern Virginia Posts: 123	Per my recent post, 16 ga. sxs means two 16 ga. barrels side by side over the 9.3x72R rifle barrel for a total of 3 barrels. Sorry I didn't post a photo more clearly showing 3 barrels ( 16x16x9.3x72R).

September 1, 2014, 07:10 PM	#18
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	I got it with that 4X Hensoldt and 1X Weaver. I handload for the 8X57JR and make bullets from 32 Special's that are just about ready at .320". I also have some Norma .318" bullets. However it's most accurate with the 196 gr Norma factory load. I have had it for about 50 years or more.

September 1, 2014, 07:19 PM	#19
BarkeyVA Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2008 Location: Southeastern Virginia Posts: 123	wogpotter, if you look at the last two photo's I posted, the top and bottom barrels are 16 ga. smoothbore barrels with the rifle barrel in the middle of the two shotgun barrels.

September 1, 2014, 08:21 PM	#20
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	Now an over-under shotgun and rifle barrel would really be unusual!! Jim

September 1, 2014, 09:16 PM	#21
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,543	Yes, but they are out there.

September 1, 2014, 11:27 PM	#22
Savage99 Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2004 Posts: 567	Drilling

September 2, 2014, 07:59 AM	#23
BarkeyVA Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2008 Location: Southeastern Virginia Posts: 123	this company apparently can make any combination gun you want--3 barrels, 4 barrels, 0/U/U, etc. http://www.fanzoj.com/en/gunroom/cus...les/index.html

September 2, 2014, 11:17 AM	#25
mapsjanhere Senior Member Join Date: August 6, 2009 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 2,832	Couple additional remarks on the proof marks. The 118,35 is the gauge value of a 9.3 mm barrel. The 1007 is probably the control number for the gun in the Zella-Mehlis proof house books. It's mark seems to be on the locking hook. __________________ I used to love being able to hit hard at 1000 yards. As I get older I find hitting a mini ram at 200 yards with the 22 oddly more satisfying.