Think the moderators are unfair??? READ THIS BEFORE POSTING YOUR GRIPE.

**JohnKSa** · November 13, 2006, 10:58 PM

Look at this post. This is an excellent example of:

1. How to properly handle a complaint with a mod.
2. The fairness and objectivity of the staff of TFL.

http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...3&postcount=26

If you disagree with a moderator's decision, send him/her a PM. You can expect to get a good hearing and If you make a good case for your point of view, appropriate measures will be taken.

The wrong way to handle it is to immediately start another thread complaining about the unfairness of the staff. That will also result in appropriate measures, but I doubt they'll be the kind you desire.

marlboroman84 · November 14, 2006, 07:47 AM

Yea I'm getting real tired of "What type of gun for SHTF scenario number 44?" Then, it gets closed and we get to look forward to "WHY DID THE BIG MEAN MODERATOR CLOSE MY THREAD???!!!!11"

I say BRING BACK THE SCYTHE!

**Mike Irwin** · November 14, 2006, 10:21 AM

BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT...

Zombies MIGHT attack! And I need to know what gun most effectively kills zombies so that I'm not turned into a zombie myself!

Wildalaska · November 14, 2006, 01:53 PM

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And I need to know what gun most effectively kills zombies so that I'm not turned into a zombie myself!

Too late they are right behind you

Wilduseatec9Alaska

Tom2 · November 14, 2006, 04:41 PM

I actually come here more interested in technical information versus wild stories and scenarios anyway. There are plenty of other gun type forums that tolerate or even encourage wacky fringe stuff out there if you care to read it. SKS forums even has categories for that stuff, even a category called tinfoil hat discussions, for the really wack stuff.

**Mike Irwin** · November 15, 2006, 10:21 AM

"Too late they are right behind you"

No, those are just my coworkers.

Wildalaska · November 15, 2006, 01:26 PM

Stealing them from me?

WildareyoursalienzombiesmineareAlaska

Ricebrnr · November 15, 2006, 08:55 PM

I've been a mod and admin on several other forums and we got this type of BS every so often also. In the final analysis....

A forum is like someones house. There's a party going on. You're invited and told to make yourself at home!

Each room in that house has some great conversation going on. As any guest would and should, you go in and mingle. Great!

Some are not such great house guests. Some break things, put there feet up on the furniture, etc... Then when asked, politely, to not do that, that bad guest gets..."fresh".

If it was YOUR house, what would you do?

I've seen enough on this excellent forum to know what the majority of you would. Those that don't know the answer are usually those bitching.

my .02

Maser · November 16, 2006, 01:36 AM

I been helping sites moderate since I first started using the internet when I was 12. Unless you have ever been an admin/mod before then you really shouldn't complain. Being a mod especially at large sites is a very tedious task. You have to be fair to all users and uphold the forum rules and make sure you aren't favoring another member and you have to be able to spot a troll and not confuse him/her with a newbie. I think the mods here do a pretty good job. Sure, it may seem like they lock the threads too easily, but wouldn't you rather the thread get locked before a problem starts rather than after?

Also you have to keep in mind that this site IS privatly owned. The owner can kick you out for any reason he/she wants. We as members here are being allowed to post at this site because the owner says so. Sure it's a dictatorship, but trust me this type of site ownership works a whole lot better than a democracy. What happens in a democratic run forum is that all the regulars will ban together and get a newbie banned. It's just not fair.

When you first become a member of this site, it clearly states in the rule and terms of usage that the admin/mods HAVE the right to delete/edit, lock a thread, or ban a user for ANY reason.

bobhwry · November 16, 2006, 07:07 PM

Maser,
What a suck up! The Mods do a good job of keeping things organized and civil but some are a little trigger happy with the closed button.
Their incentive is free toasters and George Foreman grills in addition to their generous salary!!

Greg Bell · November 17, 2006, 02:08 AM

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some are a little trigger happy with the closed button.

Big time.

Hedley · November 17, 2006, 03:08 AM

I think they do a great job of keeping the tinfoil hat, "what would you do if..." SHTF, and IOTWAWKI threads at bay. Come to think of it, this is the most sanitary forum I belong to. Firearms and nothing but.

Venture over to the SKS boards and you'll be amazed at the most popular threads, and come to really appreciate proactive moderation. One of my favorites was a two page thread started by a guy asking how to go about filling/sealing HP's with mercury. There's also another 3 or 4 pager on fallout shelters.

Greg Bell · November 17, 2006, 01:28 PM

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his is the most sanitary forum I belong to

I have been here for 7 years, and I watched the board become steadly less easy going. I don't think I have seen anything really egregious, or a pattern of any particular sort. I just think the moderators are cranky from lack of sleep or something.

**JohnKSa** · November 17, 2006, 11:20 PM

Quote:

I have been here for 7 years, and I watched the board become steadly less easy going. I don't think I have seen anything really egregious, or a pattern of any particular sort. I just think the moderators are cranky from lack of sleep or something.

I think it could stand to become a lot less easy going than it is. There has been a slow slide in the quality of the posting here due to a large influx of members who either are here purely for entertainment and have no concept of useful information interchange or who have a lot of "non-knowledge" about guns and are intent on sharing it.

**Mike Irwin** · November 17, 2006, 11:51 PM

If it's that painful for you, why do you keep coming back?

**JohnKSa** · November 17, 2006, 11:54 PM

To be frank, I quit posting here for awhile and only started again when another forum I frequent started having downtime problems.

**Mike Irwin** · November 18, 2006, 03:26 PM

You weren't really the one I was asking, John.

BoneDigger · November 18, 2006, 07:44 PM

Good points. I appreciate Mr. Helms oppening my post back up, even though it was on it's last legs.

I personally think the mods do a good job at handling off-topic posts. I went back through all of the forums and looked for locked posts and each one was a valid concern.

The problem with a forum like this, and any other to be precise, is that there are very few NEW topics. Almost every post is a rehash of some other post that a quick search through the search engine could answer well enough. Even the "What gun should I buy" posts are not very useful in that each person is going to recommend what they own, so no REAL answer is actually found.

Either way, it's a great forum and I'm happy to have found it. Oh yeah, I meant to add, My PX4 and Taurus 605 are better than your Kimber and S&W!!! I thought I would just throw that in. Oh yeah, I also meant to add, a .45 is the only caliber worth defending yourself with, and a 9mm is trash. Or, maybe it's the 9mm that's the best and a .45 is too slow. Geesh, I can never remember these things...

Todd

**JohnKSa** · November 18, 2006, 08:55 PM

Quote:

You weren't really the one I was asking, John.

Ooops...

CrustyFN · November 18, 2006, 10:15 PM

I think the mods do a great job. I only belong to three forums and this one is the most organized and in control. Now if you want to see the opposite then spend some time at Glock Talk.
Rusty

45RackerTracker · November 18, 2006, 11:09 PM

Please no forum bashing either. Oh wait, I'm not a mod, oops.

Freetacos · November 19, 2006, 01:12 AM

the staff members are human, not perfect. So besides brown nosing I don't see the point of this thread.

CrustyFN · November 19, 2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Please no forum bashing either

I'm not bashing GT. I spend a lot of time there. I was just pointing out the difference.

Quote:

the staff members are human, not perfect. So besides brown nosing I don't see the point of this thread.

Then I guess there is no point in replying to you since this is a senseless thread you won't be reading it again.

45RackerTracker · November 19, 2006, 09:17 PM

That was a yoke.

rem33 · November 20, 2006, 12:38 PM

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If you disagree with a moderator's decision, send him/her a PM. You can expect to get a good hearing and If you make a good case for your point of view, appropriate measures will be taken.

Yes, but when you have had a post edited without knowing who or why it was done it is kinda hard to send a PM to the mod.
I've had this happen and not being a very politically correct type of person it is easy to see why, and if what I had said, was not acceptable. Fine, but if mine or any other post is edited wouldn't it be a OK idea for the mod to leave a short note as to who and why?

November 13, 2006, 10:58 PM	#1
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,972	Think the moderators are unfair??? READ THIS BEFORE POSTING YOUR GRIPE. Look at this post. This is an excellent example of: 1. How to properly handle a complaint with a mod. 2. The fairness and objectivity of the staff of TFL. http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/...3&postcount=26 If you disagree with a moderator's decision, send him/her a PM. You can expect to get a good hearing and If you make a good case for your point of view, appropriate measures will be taken. The wrong way to handle it is to immediately start another thread complaining about the unfairness of the staff. That will also result in appropriate measures, but I doubt they'll be the kind you desire. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

November 14, 2006, 07:47 AM	#2
marlboroman84 Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2006 Location: Memphis,TN Posts: 541	Yea I'm getting real tired of "What type of gun for SHTF scenario number 44?" Then, it gets closed and we get to look forward to "WHY DID THE BIG MEAN MODERATOR CLOSE MY THREAD???!!!!11" I say BRING BACK THE SCYTHE! __________________ Ban Liberals, not guns! ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒE (mo-lone lah-veh)

November 14, 2006, 10:21 AM	#3
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,381	BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT... Zombies MIGHT attack! And I need to know what gun most effectively kills zombies so that I'm not turned into a zombie myself! __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 14, 2006, 04:41 PM	#5
Tom2 Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,676	OK with me I actually come here more interested in technical information versus wild stories and scenarios anyway. There are plenty of other gun type forums that tolerate or even encourage wacky fringe stuff out there if you care to read it. SKS forums even has categories for that stuff, even a category called tinfoil hat discussions, for the really wack stuff.

November 15, 2006, 10:21 AM	#6
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,381	"Too late they are right behind you" No, those are just my coworkers. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 15, 2006, 01:26 PM	#7
Wildalaska Junior member Join Date: November 25, 2002 Location: In my own little weird world in Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 14,172	Stealing them from me? WildareyoursalienzombiesmineareAlaska

November 15, 2006, 08:55 PM	#8
Ricebrnr Member Join Date: June 13, 2004 Posts: 86	I've been a mod and admin on several other forums and we got this type of BS every so often also. In the final analysis.... A forum is like someones house. There's a party going on. You're invited and told to make yourself at home! Each room in that house has some great conversation going on. As any guest would and should, you go in and mingle. Great! Some are not such great house guests. Some break things, put there feet up on the furniture, etc... Then when asked, politely, to not do that, that bad guest gets..."fresh". If it was YOUR house, what would you do? I've seen enough on this excellent forum to know what the majority of you would. Those that don't know the answer are usually those bitching. my .02

November 16, 2006, 01:36 AM	#9
Maser Senior Member Join Date: May 21, 2006 Location: Mysterious Cities of Gold Posts: 920	I been helping sites moderate since I first started using the internet when I was 12. Unless you have ever been an admin/mod before then you really shouldn't complain. Being a mod especially at large sites is a very tedious task. You have to be fair to all users and uphold the forum rules and make sure you aren't favoring another member and you have to be able to spot a troll and not confuse him/her with a newbie. I think the mods here do a pretty good job. Sure, it may seem like they lock the threads too easily, but wouldn't you rather the thread get locked before a problem starts rather than after? Also you have to keep in mind that this site IS privatly owned. The owner can kick you out for any reason he/she wants. We as members here are being allowed to post at this site because the owner says so. Sure it's a dictatorship, but trust me this type of site ownership works a whole lot better than a democracy. What happens in a democratic run forum is that all the regulars will ban together and get a newbie banned. It's just not fair. When you first become a member of this site, it clearly states in the rule and terms of usage that the admin/mods HAVE the right to delete/edit, lock a thread, or ban a user for ANY reason.

November 16, 2006, 07:07 PM	#10
bobhwry Junior member Join Date: April 5, 2006 Posts: 530	Maser, What a suck up! The Mods do a good job of keeping things organized and civil but some are a little trigger happy with the closed button. Their incentive is free toasters and George Foreman grills in addition to their generous salary!!

November 17, 2006, 03:08 AM	#12
Hedley Senior Member Join Date: May 9, 2006 Location: South Texas Posts: 1,279	I think they do a great job of keeping the tinfoil hat, "what would you do if..." SHTF, and IOTWAWKI threads at bay. Come to think of it, this is the most sanitary forum I belong to. Firearms and nothing but. Venture over to the SKS boards and you'll be amazed at the most popular threads, and come to really appreciate proactive moderation. One of my favorites was a two page thread started by a guy asking how to go about filling/sealing HP's with mercury. There's also another 3 or 4 pager on fallout shelters.

November 17, 2006, 11:51 PM	#15
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,381	If it's that painful for you, why do you keep coming back? __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 17, 2006, 11:54 PM	#16
JohnKSa Staff Join Date: February 12, 2001 Location: DFW Area Posts: 24,972	To be frank, I quit posting here for awhile and only started again when another forum I frequent started having downtime problems. __________________ Do you know about the TEXAS State Rifle Association?

November 18, 2006, 03:26 PM	#17
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,381	You weren't really the one I was asking, John. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

November 18, 2006, 07:44 PM	#18
BoneDigger Senior Member Join Date: July 22, 2005 Location: Tyler, TX Posts: 660	Good Point Good points. I appreciate Mr. Helms oppening my post back up, even though it was on it's last legs. I personally think the mods do a good job at handling off-topic posts. I went back through all of the forums and looked for locked posts and each one was a valid concern. The problem with a forum like this, and any other to be precise, is that there are very few NEW topics. Almost every post is a rehash of some other post that a quick search through the search engine could answer well enough. Even the "What gun should I buy" posts are not very useful in that each person is going to recommend what they own, so no REAL answer is actually found. Either way, it's a great forum and I'm happy to have found it. Oh yeah, I meant to add, My PX4 and Taurus 605 are better than your Kimber and S&W!!! I thought I would just throw that in. Oh yeah, I also meant to add, a .45 is the only caliber worth defending yourself with, and a 9mm is trash. Or, maybe it's the 9mm that's the best and a .45 is too slow. Geesh, I can never remember these things... Todd

November 18, 2006, 10:15 PM	#20
CrustyFN Senior Member Join Date: June 4, 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 2,258	I think the mods do a great job. I only belong to three forums and this one is the most organized and in control. Now if you want to see the opposite then spend some time at Glock Talk. Rusty __________________ I don't ever remember being absent minded.

November 18, 2006, 11:09 PM	#21
45RackerTracker Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 174	Please no forum bashing either. Oh wait, I'm not a mod, oops. __________________ ------------

November 19, 2006, 01:12 AM	#22
Freetacos Senior Member Join Date: September 20, 2006 Location: California Posts: 441	actually the staff members are human, not perfect. So besides brown nosing I don't see the point of this thread.

November 19, 2006, 09:17 PM	#24
45RackerTracker Senior Member Join Date: October 1, 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 174	That was a yoke. __________________ ------------