The Angry Caterpillar Has Morphed Into A Heavy Butterfly

Joe_Pike · December 4, 2020, 11:19 PM

Well, I decided that the Mossberg 590 Shockwave was just too much for these old hands to handle. Shooting it with the SBA3 brace was good, but I took the brace off because my crystal ball tells me that ATF is not a friend to the brace or gun owners in general. After I put the Raptor grip back on and putting 30 rounds through it I realized that my hands bleeding in three places when I left was probably a good indicator to go a different direction.
So, the Shockwave has morphed into a 20" 8+1 590 with an adjustable stock. Now I just have ho contend with "heavy".

Willie Lowman · December 5, 2020, 09:46 AM

You seriously need to resize that pic. It's way to big.

Joe_Pike · December 5, 2020, 10:09 AM

Sorry, no resizing option on the phone.

T. O'Heir · December 7, 2020, 01:41 PM

"...ATF is not a friend to the brace or gun owners in general..." Unelected civil servants shouldn't be allowed to make laws by regulation. They shouldn't be allowed to export that idea either. Our idiots copied it.
Oh and the most useless thing on the planet is a shotgun with no stock.

wild cat mccane · December 7, 2020, 03:52 PM

....your statement that a stockless shotgun has no purpose...it kinda proves the point of the law of a weapon used for indiscriminate death...

might want to think on that one since the purpose of law is the regulation of safety when it benefits the majority

Joe_Pike · December 7, 2020, 06:28 PM

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Oh and the most useless thing on the planet is a shotgun with no stock.

Well, the Shockwave didn't work for me, but I watched a video of a guy who had tamed his quite nicely. He was shooting skeet with it, shooting reactive targets out to 35 yards with it, shooting slugs out to 50 yards with it and was shooting a murder of crows with it that were pecking out the eyes of some of his calfs.

So, not worthless for everyone. YMMV.

dyl · December 7, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Oh and the most PAINFUL THING on the planet is a shotgun with no stock.

- there, fixed it.

Actually have never shot a shotgun without a stock. I could try that with my 870 but.... I have no desire to and I've seen too many videos of people getting smacked in the mouth / face with one. Nice modern setup. Wait a minute, is that an AR grip on it? Or did that come with the 590? It looks a little like a Magpul MOE grip.

Joe_Pike · December 8, 2020, 12:21 AM

It's a Spike's AR grip, Mesa Tactical stock adapter and a Magpul MOE stock. I also added an enhanced safety.

bamaranger · December 8, 2020, 02:32 AM

I am of the belief that you have created a far more useful shotgun. Any 8+1 gun will be a bit heavy, loaded all up, and your sidesaddle with on board ammo adds to that. However, I like to keep ammo onboard SD long guns as well, so that is not criticism.

I'd like to take a Shockwave the other direction, keep the stubby tube, add a conventional stock......but I do not want to deal with the paperwork.

Joe_Pike · December 8, 2020, 10:07 AM

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I'd like to take a Shockwave the other direction, keep the stubby tube, add a conventional stock......but I do not want to deal with the paperwork.

That's really what I wanted to do but I didn't want the hassle either.

wild cat mccane · December 11, 2020, 01:07 PM

Correct me.

Does this mean you should dispose of your original Angry Caterpillar parts as you now have constructive intent to build a pistol (no longer an other) from a shotgun you've created? It never was a pistol like a rifle.

Joe_Pike · December 11, 2020, 02:23 PM

All Shockwave parts have been sold.

wild cat mccane · December 11, 2020, 04:00 PM

Yep, yep. Just checking if my logic was right. Unlike rifle was it pistol or rifle first talk, I have no idea if "other" can have convertible items or not. Never hear a blip on what you did. Interesting.

Joe_Pike · December 11, 2020, 04:24 PM

I couldn't legally go back to the Shockwave, so, I just sold the parts to avoid any hassle. I don't happen to agree with the rule, but that doesn't seem to hold weight with anybody.

Bill DeShivs · December 12, 2020, 02:40 PM

For years, Mossberg sold their "Cruiser" model with both stock and pistol grip- so I opine you could go from shotgun back to "firearm" legally.
Though the Cruiser did come with an 18.5" barrel.

wild cat mccane · December 12, 2020, 03:41 PM

The Cruiser was a "shotgun" though...right?

Learning stuff. Thanks!

Bill DeShivs · December 12, 2020, 05:24 PM

Not if it was sold with the pistol grip attached.

Joe_Pike · December 12, 2020, 06:06 PM

I think the Cruiser is a "pistol grip shotgun" and the Shockwave is a "pistol grip firearm". Two different animals according to ATF as I understand it.

December 5, 2020, 09:46 AM	#2
Willie Lowman Senior Member Join Date: March 5, 2009 Location: Uh-Hi-O Posts: 3,006	You seriously need to resize that pic. It's way to big. __________________ "9mm has a very long history of being a pointy little bullet moving quickly" --Sevens

December 5, 2020, 10:09 AM	#3
Joe_Pike Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2010 Posts: 1,581	Sorry, no resizing option on the phone. __________________ Stay Groovy

December 7, 2020, 01:41 PM	#4
T. O'Heir Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 12,453	"...ATF is not a friend to the brace or gun owners in general..." Unelected civil servants shouldn't be allowed to make laws by regulation. They shouldn't be allowed to export that idea either. Our idiots copied it. Oh and the most useless thing on the planet is a shotgun with no stock. __________________ Spelling and grammar count!

December 8, 2020, 12:21 AM	#8
Joe_Pike Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2010 Posts: 1,581	It's a Spike's AR grip, Mesa Tactical stock adapter and a Magpul MOE stock. I also added an enhanced safety. __________________ Stay Groovy

December 8, 2020, 02:32 AM	#9
bamaranger Senior Member Join Date: October 9, 2009 Location: North Alabama Posts: 8,300	butterflies I am of the belief that you have created a far more useful shotgun. Any 8+1 gun will be a bit heavy, loaded all up, and your sidesaddle with on board ammo adds to that. However, I like to keep ammo onboard SD long guns as well, so that is not criticism. I'd like to take a Shockwave the other direction, keep the stubby tube, add a conventional stock......but I do not want to deal with the paperwork.

December 7, 2020, 03:52 PM	#5
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,623	....your statement that a stockless shotgun has no purpose...it kinda proves the point of the law of a weapon used for indiscriminate death... might want to think on that one since the purpose of law is the regulation of safety when it benefits the majority

December 11, 2020, 01:07 PM	#11
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,623	Correct me. Does this mean you should dispose of your original Angry Caterpillar parts as you now have constructive intent to build a pistol (no longer an other) from a shotgun you've created? It never was a pistol like a rifle. __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

December 11, 2020, 02:23 PM	#12
Joe_Pike Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2010 Posts: 1,581	All Shockwave parts have been sold. __________________ Stay Groovy

December 11, 2020, 04:00 PM	#13
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,623	Yep, yep. Just checking if my logic was right. Unlike rifle was it pistol or rifle first talk, I have no idea if "other" can have convertible items or not. Never hear a blip on what you did. Interesting. __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

December 11, 2020, 04:24 PM	#14
Joe_Pike Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2010 Posts: 1,581	I couldn't legally go back to the Shockwave, so, I just sold the parts to avoid any hassle. I don't happen to agree with the rule, but that doesn't seem to hold weight with anybody. __________________ Stay Groovy

December 12, 2020, 02:40 PM	#15
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	For years, Mossberg sold their "Cruiser" model with both stock and pistol grip- so I opine you could go from shotgun back to "firearm" legally. Though the Cruiser did come with an 18.5" barrel. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

December 12, 2020, 03:41 PM	#16
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,623	The Cruiser was a "shotgun" though...right? Learning stuff. Thanks! __________________ My wife is a pulmonologist (respiratory Dr) and epidemiologist. If you have any questions on COVID, please reach out to me in PM.

December 12, 2020, 05:24 PM	#17
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	Not if it was sold with the pistol grip attached. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

December 12, 2020, 06:06 PM	#18
Joe_Pike Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2010 Posts: 1,581	I think the Cruiser is a "pistol grip shotgun" and the Shockwave is a "pistol grip firearm". Two different animals according to ATF as I understand it. __________________ Stay Groovy