JP Sauer & Sohn, Suhl

Triple BBB · April 4, 2022, 07:20 AM

Need help to date and confirm market value of this gun. Thanks for any help

Triple BBB · April 4, 2022, 07:35 AM

It’s a three barrel drilling. SXS 16ga with a rifle caliber stamped 108/40. Other proof marks are crown over S crown over W crown over U crown over G. It’s has a larger G proof mark with number113 in front of it. Two crowns beside rack other one larger than the other. Serial number 103705. And 16/16 for the ga of shotgun. On the side of barrel “ night foot Kugel”

Triple BBB · April 4, 2022, 07:38 AM

With my limited knowledge I think the gun is the following: dated 1905- 1912, black powder, standard model due to basic engraving and case harden finish.

Triple BBB · April 4, 2022, 07:44 AM

Not foot but I think Fiir or it’s a Fur with dots above it.

Oliver Sudden · April 4, 2022, 08:11 AM

That means “not for ball” in the shotgun barrels.

Jim Watson · April 4, 2022, 08:18 AM

108/40 is the gauge of the bore, an odd way of describing a rifle. I figure it is a quick check with a plug gauge. The measure is 8.87mm but I think it corresponds to a 9.3mm calibre. Maybe 9.3x72; a common drilling rifle barrel.

Triple BBB · April 4, 2022, 09:29 AM

I just read that 113 could stand for Jan. 1913 and the larger G proof without a crown stands for black powder. Is that a correct understanding to the wise? If that is true any idea what this would range in price? The gun is in the 90 percent range, case hardening is great shape and bores are shinning and rifling is good. Just a tiny bit of movement in the in the action when locked. Wood I’d good also.

Triple BBB · April 4, 2022, 09:32 AM

I found an caliber still used in Scandinavian for moose hunting of 10.8mm X 47Rmm. May be that’s it.

Triple BBB · April 4, 2022, 09:58 AM

I uploaded a picture but not sure where it went…. I don’t see it at be y’all see it on your end.

April 4, 2022, 07:20 AM	#1
Triple BBB Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2022 Posts: 7	JP Sauer & Sohn, Suhl Need help to date and confirm market value of this gun. Thanks for any help

April 4, 2022, 07:35 AM	#2
Triple BBB Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2022 Posts: 7	It’s a three barrel drilling. SXS 16ga with a rifle caliber stamped 108/40. Other proof marks are crown over S crown over W crown over U crown over G. It’s has a larger G proof mark with number113 in front of it. Two crowns beside rack other one larger than the other. Serial number 103705. And 16/16 for the ga of shotgun. On the side of barrel “ night foot Kugel”

April 4, 2022, 07:38 AM	#3
Triple BBB Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2022 Posts: 7	With my limited knowledge I think the gun is the following: dated 1905- 1912, black powder, standard model due to basic engraving and case harden finish.

April 4, 2022, 07:44 AM	#4
Triple BBB Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2022 Posts: 7	Not foot but I think Fiir or it’s a Fur with dots above it.

April 4, 2022, 08:11 AM	#5
Oliver Sudden Senior Member Join Date: January 7, 2017 Location: Colorado Posts: 272	That means “not for ball” in the shotgun barrels.

April 4, 2022, 08:18 AM	#6
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,541	108/40 is the gauge of the bore, an odd way of describing a rifle. I figure it is a quick check with a plug gauge. The measure is 8.87mm but I think it corresponds to a 9.3mm calibre. Maybe 9.3x72; a common drilling rifle barrel.

April 4, 2022, 09:29 AM	#7
Triple BBB Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2022 Posts: 7	I just read that 113 could stand for Jan. 1913 and the larger G proof without a crown stands for black powder. Is that a correct understanding to the wise? If that is true any idea what this would range in price? The gun is in the 90 percent range, case hardening is great shape and bores are shinning and rifling is good. Just a tiny bit of movement in the in the action when locked. Wood I’d good also.

April 4, 2022, 09:32 AM	#8
Triple BBB Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2022 Posts: 7	I found an caliber still used in Scandinavian for moose hunting of 10.8mm X 47Rmm. May be that’s it.

April 4, 2022, 09:58 AM	#9
Triple BBB Junior Member Join Date: April 2, 2022 Posts: 7	I uploaded a picture but not sure where it went…. I don’t see it at be y’all see it on your end.