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However, the Attorney General flaunting the will of Congress? That's drama, and that tends to lead well on the evening news.
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Mr. Holder is as usual using the "blame everyone else" defence.
He is ah, ah, well, here is his latest blaming the GOP and defereing any wrong doing http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/H...mo_code=D38C-1
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Mr. Holder is sticking to the party's talking points:
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Holder is a piece of work...
All the clichés. He gives new meaning to the terms hubris, audacity and unmitigated gall.
I was thinking that we’d have a hard time getting to the truth of the real motive behind F&F. I thought that after being discovered in this misdeed the administration would retreat, attempt to cover it up and abandon the failed idea of trying to sneak guns into the hands of Mexican drug gangs to sway public opinion that tougher gun laws were needed. Holder has some nerve! Damn the torpedoes! Full speed ahead and call for stricter gun laws anyway! While we don’t yet have the smoking gun that proves the goal of F&F was to manipulate public opinion in order to build support for stricter gun laws, Holder’s statements now make it clear for anyone who can connect the dots. Will the tactic fool some people – yes. |
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Issa has now shot back at Holder and it ain't pretty. The text of Issa's letter can be read HERE.
In the meantime, back at the ranch, the "Bush did it too" crowd is just getting heated up. They believe that Wide Receiver is as bad as F&F but Wide Receiver was recognized as the failure it was and retired. The current administration -- in their belief that all things that don't work are because they were not in charge at the time -- has pressed on with a program that makes Wide Receiver look like a successful program.
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What an intense read that was. The gloves have most definitely come off.
This should get very interesting much quicker than I thought it would.
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CBS Sharyl Attkisson report today... subpoenas for AG en route. Today?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...ml?tag=nl.e875 Story seems to have "legs" and just won't die
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definitely, it's Bush's fault he did it first..,
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I woke up this morning and immediately felt anger over Holder's statements
what a two-faceed hypocrite! To denounce Rep. Paul Gosar:
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Also, Gosar didn't aim his comments at the BATFE field agents working the operation or any other law enforcement officers - his comments are aimed at the high level government politicos who conceived of it, so Holder's comments are not applicable. His comments are just a diversion, a red herring. But they are so two-faced that I find it infuriating. |
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My two favorite parts of Issa's letter:
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So much misdirection.
It still hasn't come to light who thought this operation up. If BATFE confiscates so much as a .38 spl from some low-level mafioso and it results in him doing prison time- you better beleive that everyone knows who deserves credit for thinking the operation up, but this thing that is so gigantically huge that it entailed the movement of thousands of weapons - no one's quite sure who originally came up with the idea... hmmmm No one is sure who authorized it ... hmmm Holder's memo war with Issa is just misdirection. While Holder is taking all the heat right now, people are no longer thinking about how far it reached into the White House. Not that it will last, I don't think there is anything Holder can do now that would stop the investigation from proceeding to the next higher level. And hopefully somewhere in this process someone will be able to uncover that an administration used an entire agency of the federal government against the American people, and that something will be done about it to ensure that this government cannot, in the future, commit crimes against it's own citizens. |
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If anything, it makes it worse, since they were already aware of the dangers inherent in the approach. Fast & Furious is Holder's problem, through and through.
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The biggest problem with comparing WR to F&F is that WR tried to place constraints on the firearms such as visual and electronic surveillance. When those measures failed, due to crafty smuggling tactics, the program was terminated.
Seeing this failure, the ATF decided that it would be a better tactic to simply let the firearms walk with no surveillance techniques in place at all. What a great idea that has turned out to be.
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Too clever, again, by half...like his boss and "under the radar".
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When the wash is finally hung out to dry, I think you will find Mr. Holder will have higher company on that line. Anyone remember Watergate?
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I remember Watergate, all my favorite TV shows were preempted while these guys just droned on and on and on...
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The spin is in, they put Holder in to break the terror plot story today, trying to make the uninformed look at him as a hero!
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And it looks like the spin worked to deflect attention. The FoxNews story on Fast and Furious subpoenas is relegated to the Politics page while the Iranian assassination plot is front page news.
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I found Issa's letter astounding. The gloves are off, he's not gonna stand for any more spin or BS. He's going for the throat, no doubt about it, and blood will soak the floors of the DOJ.
Let's not be too impatient about this. It's a long way to November 2012, and there are lots of cutouts between DOJ and the Oval Office. Develop this case slowly, carefully, and work it up to the top, and there's little doubt that it could well put the final nails into the coffin of the Obama presidency. But it takes time to get the details right, time to grind down the guys who might be persuaded to "take one for the Team", and time to get this to the peak some time in late October 2012, where it will do the most good. I was surprised at the level of ignorance surrounding this in the attention of the general public, but I see it as a good thing. Having this peak too soon will give the O Team too much time to downplay it, spin it away, or come up with some kind of useful crisis to divert peoples' attention. But to my mind, this is a lot more damaging than some DNA on a dress. Dalliance between consenting adults is not a crime, despite what a Republican congress would like to think. But aiding and abetting an operation that took American LEO lives, as well as a concerted campaign of lies which will ultimately be shown to be an attempt at back-door gun control by media spin, and which will eventually be walked back to the White House, is a much bigger deal. Did the President know and approve of this? We don't know, yet. But Issa will find out. He's no fool, and he knows how much damage this can do, and just how to ensure that that damage is done, at the most effective time. At least, that's my very fond hope. Don't you just love politics? A game without rules, for all the marbles. |
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If he did, he should have come forward when this became public and issued reprisals. If I were President (and therefore, a politician), I'd have thrown Melson and Voth to the wolves. Anyone else involved would have been given incentive to keep quiet. I'd have instructed Holder to do the same thing. I'd have made a prime-time speech about the horrors of a "rogue element" running off the reservation in Phoenix, and I'd have used it as an example of how I'm "stamping out corruption" or somesuch. He did none of these things. He waited for it to get swept under the rug, and at this point, whether or not he knew at the time is irrelevant. The lack of action is.
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With Issa finally working up to an actual subpoena/placing Holder under oath, and CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson alluding to more damaging evidence from the same recent disclosures as the supposed "F&F weekly briefings", any odds on Issa holding some crucial hole card to either elicit or prove perjury?
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The sad thing is that most likely no-one will be punished, some will probably get promoted or moved to other positions. Our government has become something that lives on deceit of the American people. We can't handle the truth! So sad!
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