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Great thread.
The only question I have on the "toilet ring" use. I've read by some that they are not good to use because modern ones are made out of different stuff than the old ones. Is this true? I've been warned about using anything petroleum-based because it will make a gummy mess. I don't know this personally, but I certainly DON'T want to find out. So, I bought beeswax instead. But, the "toilet ring dilemma" doesn't seem like it's botherin' Ol' Doc in anyway though. So, I'm totally confused. The toilet rings are cheap and easy to get. This is my only hold up in using a cheap toilet ring instead of beeswax. Thanks |
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I don't think the toilet rings of today are made of bee's wax any longer.
Here is a link to a typical ring. It states that the material is petroleum wax. http://www.drillspot.com/products/34...et_Bowl_Gasket |
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How is it in a thread this long we have had no pontification upon the virtues of using butter flavored Crisco over the regular stuff?
At least it makes it look like the more expensive!
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Haha, butter flavored crisco, too funny.
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Hello, everyone. Concerning that butter flavored Crisco..probably Ok in a black-powder arm if using a water-based cleaner.
However...several years ago, at a schuetzen match..there were a couple of guys who had pitted bores from substituting the flavored stuff for the original. It seems the butter flavored has salt in it. They were using single shot .32-40's with smokeless, and only cleaning with smokeless type cleaners. |
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The toilet bowl rings are NOT made of beeswax anymore but, as I understand, the fouling caused or intensified by petroleum products depends on just where in the process the product is drawn off. Petroleum jelly and petroleum wax are drawn off a such a point that hey do not react with the black powder residue as do the more volatile products.
I've been using the mix with the toilet bowl rings for several years now with no problems. |
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Paraffin is supposed to be ok too.
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Going to have to check into the toilet ring idea as they are pretty cheep vs beeswax. Sounds like the new ones are just a more tacky paraffin and not a more refined product so should do fine.
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GREAT answers!!!
So much good information in this string! Thank you guys for teaching me so much!
I am just a recreational shooter, I shoot up to 4 revolvers at an outing and out of each maybe up to 20 shots, Sometimes I concentrate on just one revolver and shoot the heck out of it with intermittent wipe-down's with Windex. It really works well for those quick wipe-downs! a quick re-lube of the Cylinder pin and the hand notches on the cylinder and I am back in business! "Wicking" is the perfect description for the migration of the hot Crisco. It does get all over in the little nooks and crannies and gets pushed into the spots that actually need lubing anyhow! With all the fire and heat, it's no wonder the excess Crisco gets melted off and blown away inti the recesses that need lubing anyhow My main concern is to prevent Chainfire and so far Crisco has worked well! Frankilly, I much prefer to use a Wad to reload with as it's a lot less messy and you are SURE that you have the powder load closed off. They don;t seem to affect accuracy but the velocity figures I have read in the book "Black Powder and the old West" (An EXCELLENT referance!) It's an out of print production but readilly available.In the book velocities are recorded on charts with both substitute oiwders and real BP with and without CRisco and/or Wads. Crisco seems to aid the speed of the ball! Like I said my main concern is Safety! Crisco alone seems to work and mixed with some of the concoctions stated probablly works even better! Often, the old mixes were good mixes! In conclusion I think that in place of pre-lubed Wad's, a guy is pretty safe with a dab of Crisco when he either runs out of Patches or chooses to just use grease. Thank you for all the help again! Youguys arw a wealth of info for a new shooter like myself! ZVP |
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Um--are we cooking or shooting. Got a great recipe for fried okra. There ain't nothing wrong with ceiling cylinder chambers with crisco if you want to as long as temperture is cool and it doesn't melt and run down thru holster on your britches Actually, if you fire it at night it throws a pretty good flame!
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I used to shoot a BP revolver back in the 1970's. I used white Crisco. It worked great. Never had any problems. Back then there wasnt all the new concoctions of now days. No internet.
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bore butter
best there is
crisco what did they use when they had nothing |
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Clean-up done today
Well I let the revolvers sit for 6 days without cleaning after shooting with Crisco.
The guns were relativelly clean when I tore them down for the belated clean-up. Residue was minimal as was Powder Flaking. Cap residue was nearly non-exhistant. I would say that in light of the results of this test, that the use of Crisco DOES help reduce fouling! for extended times between clean-up! As I'd stated, this was done on purpose to see if Crisco would help reduce fouling and it did. ZVP |
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Bore Butter gets just as runny as Crisco when the temps get up.I got several tubes of it on a clearance sale but when it's gone I wont buy any more.
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I started using Crisco and Crapper donuts....
.....about three years ago.
My mix is about half and half. I have not noticed any problems with corrosion, nor do I have any trouble with Colts binding up. BUT I load with a press which means that the revolver comes apart every sixth shot. And along with that process I wipe down the front of the cylinder and make sure the lube does not need to be renewed on the arbor/pin. My shooting does not require a lot from the revolvers since I never shoot competition and I always take a lot of time to shoot. If I get off 150 shots in a day of shooting I am doing pretty good. Like Z, I take about for revolvers with me. It is no surprise that I don't appreciate the more exotic recipes. I am just not an exotic shooter.
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Thanks Doc,
Since you and several others on this board have not had the infamous "petroleum tar-pit of doom" build up in their revolvers, I'll go that route for my next big batch. Certainly is cheaper and easier to come by. What I like about the "formula" is that how it doesn't run everywhere, while some actually like the fact it "runs around, into, and through" everything. I like the lube I made because it DOESN'T do that. It just makes this hobby even more fun to be able to make your own "stuff" and find your own way. Just cool. This is another reason I love this hobby over buying bullets and punchin' paper. Thanks again guys, great fun. OJW |
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I, just ten minutes ago, got back from shooting today. I used a mix that is about half and half. It has the consistency of cold butter. The temperature was 60 to 65 degrees. And this mix performed pretty well. I have not got to cleaning my revolvers yet but I will soon.
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Hmmm...
All this talk about shooting in hot weather and keeping the stuff from melting made me think of the other end of the spectrum... What happens when those that are the heartiest of us want to do some shooting below freezing? Wouldn't most any lube containing wax get far too stiff to use effectively? Straight crisco might be the best in very cold weather- I would say it may even have to be cut with some other oil if used below 0F- such as grape seed, but upon entry into a warm home, it would likely run. Lastly, one point no one has brought up yet is a strange property of crisco- if melted and then allowed to cool- such as done to pour it into a tube or other container, it becomes much more sticky than it was before being melted. After being melted and becoming stiff again- the properties of it are completely different, and it will turn rancid too. I guess this releases some of the hydrogen trapped in it. It does make me wonder if once melted crisco is one of the secret ingredients in some of the lubes. One more thing- don't throw out that turkey frying oil after the holidays- it too can be made into bullet lube...or... something.
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For years now I just lube my arbor pin and internals where they need it and use a layer of cornmeal over the powder charge as my fire break. No greasy mess all over the revolver nor my hands and never had a chain fire using it nor any other problem. By eliminating the grease my arbor pin the cylinder turns on doesn't gum up and make turning the cylinder harder nearly as fast as it did back when I used to use the grease that would mix with burnt powder instantly and gum up turning my cylinder pretty quickly after only say three cylinder's full of shots. (I do take care that my cornmeal layer is horizontally level over the powder charge so no powder peeks through the cornmeal layer.) I'm satisfied with my technique and it works great for me and never any greasy mess of any kind. No felt wads either to have to buy nor make. Trust me on this, give the cornmeal a try just one time and I predict you will never go back to using messy grease or a wax/grease mixture or felt wads again. The only downside is that the cornmeal layer takes up chamber space. That doesn't bother me because I shoot light 22-25 grain loads in my .44's anyway so I never come close to using most of my chamber volume for the powder. But if you wanted to shoot maximum loads over 30 grains in a steel frame, the cornmeal layer would be taking up space that more powder could. But if you are shooting a medium 30 grain load in your .44, you'd still have space for a cornmeal layer over your powder charge. As we know, a properly molded ball shaving the correct ring when rammed, along with tight fitting percussion caps....will prevent MOST chainfires anyway without using any kind of fire break over or under the balls at all. But just to be safe I still use the cornmeal layer over the powder charge and under the ball. Then when the ball is rammed home over the cornmeal, it holds the cornmeal level in place over the powder charge. Forming a very efficient fire break. I use the little plastic dipper that came with my Lee loader for my .45 ACP dies. That little powder charge dipper works perfect to dribble cornmeal into my chambers with. Just my dipper and a small container of cornmeal. No greasy mess, no greasy mess, no greasy mess, no greasy mess...... Did I mention no greasy mess? .
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Some revolvers don't react well to 1/2 cylinderfulls of Cornmeal. I My fullsize '58 won't shoot as accurate when I use anything except an over the powder wad. It throws wide groups with cornmeal or any filler. It seems to just like the ball atop the wad and powder.
I have trued using Cream of wheat because it's granuals are pretty much the same as fff Pyrodex Pistol Powder. With most of my revolvers the stuff seems to work OK. Far as that long term claeaning test goes I'm gonna run it again with real BP soon as I can locate some... ZVP |
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anyone tried bacon grease with beeswax or parrifin as it does not get as rancid as other greases?
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Bacon grease is fine if you know one thing...it contains salt. It won't harm the gun you're using if cleaned right after shooting.
It makes the most wonderful smell upon shooting...makes me want breakfast again. Well, so long as it isn't rancid...if it is, then you want to upchuck your breakfast. Personally, I've only once had enough to try to shoot- we usually use it up frying eggs, etc.
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