Hawes 1851 colt navy confederate model

cowboys1062 · April 21, 2015, 11:29 PM

I own a Hawes 1851 colt navy,36cal. Confed.model.It was made in Ilaly.XXV is stamped on the brass frame so I looked up the code and I figure it was made in 1969. The over all condition I would rate as very good to excellent condition. On the right side of the barrel is stamped 36 CAL.NAVY MODEL made in Ilaly and on the left side of barrel is stamped HAWES FIREARMS CO. LOS ANGELES CALIF. Can anyone tell me anything about Hawes Firearms Company? When the company started and when they ended? I figure the pistol is about 45 years old. The bluing is very good with no rust,pitting, or scratches. Wood hand grips are also very nice with no marks. The action is very sharp and crisp. The bore is mirror clean with sharp rifling. I only fired it six times about 8 years ago. I guess I just want to know about the company and possible value of the pistol? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. cowboys1062.

swathdiver · April 22, 2015, 04:12 AM

Hawes was an importer and from the catalogs I've seen focused more on the cartridge guns of the late 19th century.

I had the exact same gun, same year too, and it was made by Armi San Paulo. Their marking should be on the bottom barrel flat covered by the loading lever.

It's value is what other brassers go for in good working condition, about $125-150.

Gaucho Gringo · April 23, 2015, 12:52 AM

I just bought ANIB Pietta steel frame 1851 .36 cal Navy for $185.00. I also have 2 other used steel framed 1851's in good condition that I bought for $100.00 & $125.00 in the last 5 years. No way would I pay more than $60.00-80.00 for a brass framed 1851. Just my personal opinion.

Doc Hoy · April 23, 2015, 01:21 AM

I just mixed up two different threads.

Sorry.

Doc Hoy · April 23, 2015, 01:25 AM

...Prolly won't get shot much.

As GG says there are plenty of steel frame Colts out there that are very shootable.

The Hawes is fine with a light load....But my guess is that it will find its way to the "conversation piece" display.

DPris · April 23, 2015, 11:07 AM

My first handgun was a round-barreled Navy, in '69.
Brass frame.
Still have it, retired long ago because of that brass frame.

For 46 years I've wondered who really made it, only has "Williamson Arms Company" stamped on its barrel.

I see one Williamson Arms Company-marked brass-framed Confederate Navy sold recently on Guns America for $100.

I actually prefer that round barrel on the Navy.

You can Giggle Hawes & find out more about the operation.
Denis

Doc Hoy · April 23, 2015, 12:53 PM

....I have always called it a Dragoon Barrel.

Hawg · April 24, 2015, 11:53 PM

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I actually prefer that round barrel on the Navy.

The 51 navy with a brass frame and a round barrel should be called a Griswold & Gunnison. With a steel frame and a round barrel a Leech & Rigdon. With a brass frame and octagonal barrel a Schneider & Glassick. That ends todays class on Confederate revolvers.

April 21, 2015, 11:29 PM	#1
cowboys1062 Member Join Date: January 24, 2015 Posts: 35	Hawes 1851 colt navy confederate model I own a Hawes 1851 colt navy,36cal. Confed.model.It was made in Ilaly.XXV is stamped on the brass frame so I looked up the code and I figure it was made in 1969. The over all condition I would rate as very good to excellent condition. On the right side of the barrel is stamped 36 CAL.NAVY MODEL made in Ilaly and on the left side of barrel is stamped HAWES FIREARMS CO. LOS ANGELES CALIF. Can anyone tell me anything about Hawes Firearms Company? When the company started and when they ended? I figure the pistol is about 45 years old. The bluing is very good with no rust,pitting, or scratches. Wood hand grips are also very nice with no marks. The action is very sharp and crisp. The bore is mirror clean with sharp rifling. I only fired it six times about 8 years ago. I guess I just want to know about the company and possible value of the pistol? Any insight would be greatly appreciated. cowboys1062.

April 22, 2015, 04:12 AM	#2
swathdiver Senior Member Join Date: December 19, 2012 Location: Treasure Coast, Florida Posts: 335	Hawes was an importer and from the catalogs I've seen focused more on the cartridge guns of the late 19th century. I had the exact same gun, same year too, and it was made by Armi San Paulo. Their marking should be on the bottom barrel flat covered by the loading lever. It's value is what other brassers go for in good working condition, about $125-150. __________________ “Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.” - Job 38:3

April 23, 2015, 12:52 AM	#3
Gaucho Gringo Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2007 Location: Vancouver, WA Posts: 366	I just bought ANIB Pietta steel frame 1851 .36 cal Navy for $185.00. I also have 2 other used steel framed 1851's in good condition that I bought for $100.00 & $125.00 in the last 5 years. No way would I pay more than $60.00-80.00 for a brass framed 1851. Just my personal opinion. __________________ 357 Taurus Gaucho, 22 Heritage RR, 2-Pietta 1858 44 NMA Remingtons, Pietta, Euroarms & ASM 36 1851 Navies, 31 Uberti 1849, 12 ga H&R Topper, 16 Ga Western Field, 43 Spanish Remington Rolling Block, 44 ASM Colt Walker, High Point C9 9mm, Winchester 1906 22, Rossi 62 22 rifle, Uberti 1860, H&A & IJ 32 S&W BreakTop, 36 Euroarms 1858, 32 H&R 04, 22mag NAA SS BP revolver, .44 Rodgers & Spencer, IJ 38 S&W BreakTop, IJ 22 Sealed 8

April 23, 2015, 01:21 AM	#4
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	Oooops I just mixed up two different threads. Sorry. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

April 23, 2015, 01:25 AM	#5
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	That Hawes... ...Prolly won't get shot much. As GG says there are plenty of steel frame Colts out there that are very shootable. The Hawes is fine with a light load....But my guess is that it will find its way to the "conversation piece" display. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

April 23, 2015, 11:07 AM	#6
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	My first handgun was a round-barreled Navy, in '69. Brass frame. Still have it, retired long ago because of that brass frame. For 46 years I've wondered who really made it, only has "Williamson Arms Company" stamped on its barrel. I see one Williamson Arms Company-marked brass-framed Confederate Navy sold recently on Guns America for $100. I actually prefer that round barrel on the Navy. You can Giggle Hawes & find out more about the operation. Denis

April 23, 2015, 12:53 PM	#7
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,440	For lack of a better word.... ....I have always called it a Dragoon Barrel. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.