Fegyvecyar 7.65mm

riverdog · November 30, 2001, 07:50 PM

I have had a Fegyvergyar 7.65MM pistol for the past 20 years. Traded a S&W .22 Kit gun for it. AFAIK/IIRC, it is a Hungarian Police pistol that was carried by some Luftwaffe pilots during WWII. The story goes that mine was taken from a Luftwaffe pilot after he was shot down. It has Wermacht acceptance stamps and is fully functional.

What is the history of these pocket pistol? Was Fegyvergyar the predecessor of FEG? It's has a neat takedown design. The slide has two slide stop notches, the rear being the normal operational notch. The forward notch aligns the barrel allowing it to be turned 90 and removed from the pistol for cleaning while keeping the rest of the gun assembled. When the barrel is cleaned the gun can be reassembled very easily. It is easier than a Glock.

Anyhow, just curious if you've got anything on their history. Is there a source for magazines? I've only got the one and a spare would be nice. TIA

(Editted for spelling)

johnwill · November 30, 2001, 08:26 PM

FEG and Fegyvergyar are one and the same. You seem to be talking about this pistol, it was produced during the war and many were used by the Nazi's.

riverdog · November 30, 2001, 08:57 PM

That's it. I forgot about the grip safety. Is that a modified Browning design?

johnwill · November 30, 2001, 11:29 PM

I think most of these guns are modified Browning designs.

It's a straight blowback action. I don't know about spare magazines, at least factory ones. You can buy aftermarket magazines, though I don't know how well they'll function.

riverdog · December 1, 2001, 07:52 PM

Its definitely a modified Browning. Interesting read at http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/...99/v01n846.txt The article about Browning designs is about halfway down the page, past the stuff about Canadian politics.

The pistol was produced in both .32acp (7.65mm) and .380 (9mm Kurtz) and the barrels/magazines were interchangable.

Johnwill,
Thanks for the correct spelling.

C.R.Sam · December 2, 2001, 12:21 AM

Wow.....thanks guys. Ol fart learns nuther sumpin.

Sam

Herb Fredricksen · June 1, 2002, 02:20 AM

What a find! I needed to know what a P-37 is and now I do.

A good dancing friend (John Davenport) flew a P-51 Mustang in the late part of WWII, almost 1500 combat hours. On one mission he was forced to land in a French field. While there (he doesn't elaborate on his war experience, seems to be a trait of his peer group) he saw a civilian approaching with pistol in hand. He wasn't sure what would happen next. Turns out it was a French farmer who greeted him warmly and gave him the pistol, recently taken from a dead German officer. It was a Hungarian P-37.

When John told me it was a P-37 I assumed he meant P-38, so when he would not sell me his (I've not seen it, he's given it to his oldest son, one of 12 children) I bought my own P-38. Now I need to buy a P-37 for my collection in honor of my friend John.

John retired with a rank of Colonel and became a fine marathon runner. When his long distance legs gave out he started taking my classes on Bavarian and Austrian folk dance (and Cowboy and Civil War and Cajun) and joined my performing group. Since then he's also joined the Swiss Dance Group in our area.

Thanks for opening my eyes to a pistol I've easily overlooked.

Herb Fredricksen [email protected]

johnwill · June 1, 2002, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Thanks for opening my eyes to a pistol I've easily overlooked.

Take a cruise over here, I dare say you'll find a couple of others that you've overlooked!

John's C&R Collection

Herb Fredricksen · June 5, 2002, 02:08 AM

Hi John,

Once again a great look at a stunning array of "pistols of desire."

You may remember I posted a request for a list of pistol names to match up with images 1 through 93. I haven't seen that list yet, but then I'm not sure which forum I posted it on. Anytime you have time to send me a list or post one it will be appreciated.

This last visit I noticed the names of the pistols scrolling into the footer at the bottom of each image until it fills, then the text reverts to "done." Well, it may be done but I'm not! I guess if I have to I can crack a beer one night and copy off the names, one at a time, as the images fill. Tedious, but a perfect "beer time" activity, a mindless but pleasant activity, almost like sex.

Yours, in the casual and serious pursuit of guns and women,
Herb Fredricksen [email protected]

johnwill · June 5, 2002, 08:15 AM

Herb,

I'm experimenting with various web album packages to try to find one that's easy to keep updated with the names. One of these days, I'll have a good one, and the names will be there. How about a list of the names in my directory, they should match up pretty close. The last half dozen or so are not represented yet, but that'll change one of these days too.

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Astra_200_Engraved
Astra_300
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Astra_CUB_22S
Baby_Browning
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Bernardelli_22
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Browning_1910
Browning_1922
Chinese_Tokerov
Colt_1903_32ACP
Colt_1908_25ACP
Colt_Pocket_38
CZ-24
CZ-27
CZ-45
CZ-52
Dreyse_1907_2
DUO
East_German_Mak
Femaru_M37
Franz_Stock
French_MAB_Model_D
Frommer_Baby
Frommer_Stop
Galesi_6_35
H~R_Hammerless
H~R_Self-Loading_25
H~R_Self-Loading_32
H~R_The_American
Haenel-Schmeisser_Model_1
Inglis_HP
Inland_M1_Carbine
Iver_Johnson_Safety_Action_DA
Iver_Johnson_TP-22
Langenhan
Langenhan_w-holster
Le_Francais
Le_Francais_7_65.JPG
LeFrancais_New
LeFrancais_Policeman
Lignose_3A
Lilliput
Luger_1938_Mauser
MAB_Model_A
Manhurin_PP_32ACP
MARS_KDYNE
Mauser_1910
Mauser_1914
Mauser_1934
Mauser_Broomhandle
Mauser_Broomhandle_w-stock
Mauser_HSc_7.65
NAA_Buckle_Mini
Nagant_1895
Nambu_Type_14
Nambu_Type_94
Ortgies_25
Ortgies_32
OWA
Phoenix
Radom_VIS
Reising_Target_22
Remington_Model_51-32ACP
Remington_Model_51_380_1
Ruger_Bearcat_Old_Model
S~W_1913
Sauer_1913
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Savage_1907T
Savage_1917
Sedgley
Sistema_1927
Star_Model_S_1941
Stenda
Steyr_1908
Steyr_1909
Walther_Model_2
Walther_Model_4
Walther_Model_8
Walther_Model_9
Walther_P38_ac45
Walther_Postwar_P-38
Warner_Infallable
Webley_32_Auto
Webley_Mark_IV

November 30, 2001, 07:50 PM	#1
riverdog Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Posts: 824	Fegyvergyar 7.65mm I have had a Fegyvergyar 7.65MM pistol for the past 20 years. Traded a S&W .22 Kit gun for it. AFAIK/IIRC, it is a Hungarian Police pistol that was carried by some Luftwaffe pilots during WWII. The story goes that mine was taken from a Luftwaffe pilot after he was shot down. It has Wermacht acceptance stamps and is fully functional. What is the history of these pocket pistol? Was Fegyvergyar the predecessor of FEG? It's has a neat takedown design. The slide has two slide stop notches, the rear being the normal operational notch. The forward notch aligns the barrel allowing it to be turned 90 and removed from the pistol for cleaning while keeping the rest of the gun assembled. When the barrel is cleaned the gun can be reassembled very easily. It is easier than a Glock. Anyhow, just curious if you've got anything on their history. Is there a source for magazines? I've only got the one and a spare would be nice. TIA (Editted for spelling) Last edited by riverdog; December 1, 2001 at 07:19 PM.

December 1, 2001, 07:52 PM	#5
riverdog Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Posts: 824	Its definitely a modified Browning. Interesting read at http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/...99/v01n846.txt The article about Browning designs is about halfway down the page, past the stuff about Canadian politics. The pistol was produced in both .32acp (7.65mm) and .380 (9mm Kurtz) and the barrels/magazines were interchangable. Johnwill, Thanks for the correct spelling. Last edited by riverdog; December 2, 2001 at 09:53 AM.

June 5, 2002, 02:08 AM	#9
Herb Fredricksen Member Join Date: February 7, 2001 Location: Gaithersburg Md Posts: 51	C&R photo library Hi John, Once again a great look at a stunning array of "pistols of desire." You may remember I posted a request for a list of pistol names to match up with images 1 through 93. I haven't seen that list yet, but then I'm not sure which forum I posted it on. Anytime you have time to send me a list or post one it will be appreciated. This last visit I noticed the names of the pistols scrolling into the footer at the bottom of each image until it fills, then the text reverts to "done." Well, it may be done but I'm not! I guess if I have to I can crack a beer one night and copy off the names, one at a time, as the images fill. Tedious, but a perfect "beer time" activity, a mindless but pleasant activity, almost like sex. Yours, in the casual and serious pursuit of guns and women, Herb Fredricksen [email protected]

June 5, 2002, 08:15 AM	#10
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	Herb, I'm experimenting with various web album packages to try to find one that's easy to keep updated with the names. One of these days, I'll have a good one, and the names will be there. How about a list of the names in my directory, they should match up pretty close. The last half dozen or so are not represented yet, but that'll change one of these days too. Artillery_Luger_1916_DWM Astra_1916 Astra_200_Engraved Astra_300 Astra_400 Astra_600 Astra_CUB_22S Baby_Browning Bayard_1908 Beretta_1934 Beretta_1935 Beretta_1935_Nickel Bernardelli_22 Browning_1900 Browning_1906 Browning_1910 Browning_1922 Chinese_Tokerov Colt_1903_32ACP Colt_1908_25ACP Colt_Pocket_38 CZ-24 CZ-27 CZ-45 CZ-52 Dreyse_1907_2 DUO East_German_Mak Femaru_M37 Franz_Stock French_MAB_Model_D Frommer_Baby Frommer_Stop Galesi_6_35 H~R_Hammerless H~R_Self-Loading_25 H~R_Self-Loading_32 H~R_The_American Haenel-Schmeisser_Model_1 Inglis_HP Inland_M1_Carbine Iver_Johnson_Safety_Action_DA Iver_Johnson_TP-22 Langenhan Langenhan_w-holster Le_Francais Le_Francais_7_65.JPG LeFrancais_New LeFrancais_Policeman Lignose_3A Lilliput Luger_1938_Mauser MAB_Model_A Manhurin_PP_32ACP MARS_KDYNE Mauser_1910 Mauser_1914 Mauser_1934 Mauser_Broomhandle Mauser_Broomhandle_w-stock Mauser_HSc_7.65 NAA_Buckle_Mini Nagant_1895 Nambu_Type_14 Nambu_Type_94 Ortgies_25 Ortgies_32 OWA Phoenix Radom_VIS Reising_Target_22 Remington_Model_51-32ACP Remington_Model_51_380_1 Ruger_Bearcat_Old_Model S~W_1913 Sauer_1913 Savage_1907_Early Savage_1907T Savage_1917 Sedgley Sistema_1927 Star_Model_S_1941 Stenda Steyr_1908 Steyr_1909 Walther_Model_2 Walther_Model_4 Walther_Model_8 Walther_Model_9 Walther_P38_ac45 Walther_Postwar_P-38 Warner_Infallable Webley_32_Auto Webley_Mark_IV __________________ I collect old pistols, got any?

November 30, 2001, 08:26 PM	#2
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	FEG and Fegyvergyar are one and the same. You seem to be talking about this pistol, it was produced during the war and many were used by the Nazi's.

November 30, 2001, 08:57 PM	#3
riverdog Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Posts: 824	That's it. I forgot about the grip safety. Is that a modified Browning design?

November 30, 2001, 11:29 PM	#4
johnwill Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2000 Location: PA Posts: 3,451	I think most of these guns are modified Browning designs. It's a straight blowback action. I don't know about spare magazines, at least factory ones. You can buy aftermarket magazines, though I don't know how well they'll function.

December 2, 2001, 12:21 AM	#6
C.R.Sam Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 1999 Location: Dewey, AZ Posts: 12,858	Wow.....thanks guys. Ol fart learns nuther sumpin. Sam

June 1, 2002, 02:20 AM	#7
Herb Fredricksen Member Join Date: February 7, 2001 Location: Gaithersburg Md Posts: 51	What a find! I needed to know what a P-37 is and now I do. A good dancing friend (John Davenport) flew a P-51 Mustang in the late part of WWII, almost 1500 combat hours. On one mission he was forced to land in a French field. While there (he doesn't elaborate on his war experience, seems to be a trait of his peer group) he saw a civilian approaching with pistol in hand. He wasn't sure what would happen next. Turns out it was a French farmer who greeted him warmly and gave him the pistol, recently taken from a dead German officer. It was a Hungarian P-37. When John told me it was a P-37 I assumed he meant P-38, so when he would not sell me his (I've not seen it, he's given it to his oldest son, one of 12 children) I bought my own P-38. Now I need to buy a P-37 for my collection in honor of my friend John. John retired with a rank of Colonel and became a fine marathon runner. When his long distance legs gave out he started taking my classes on Bavarian and Austrian folk dance (and Cowboy and Civil War and Cajun) and joined my performing group. Since then he's also joined the Swiss Dance Group in our area. Thanks for opening my eyes to a pistol I've easily overlooked. Herb Fredricksen [email protected]