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chris in va · April 17, 2005, 12:10 PM

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Don't they handcuff suspects when interrogating?

tlm225 · April 17, 2005, 01:44 PM

Generally, no.

IZinterrogator · April 17, 2005, 04:04 PM

I rarely did, but I didn't take my 9mm into the interrogation booth either.

TheeBadOne · April 17, 2005, 08:57 PM

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Don't they handcuff suspects when interrogating?

As already stated, generally, no.

djw6611 · April 18, 2005, 02:07 AM

If you are just questioning a suspect and they are not technically under arrest, you cannot handcuff them. Generally you are questioning them in order to get enough probable cause to link them to a crime thus allowing an arrest.

TheeBadOne · April 18, 2005, 09:06 PM

This is a photo of the suspect after he was taken into custody for murdering the Detective (his 1st appearance since the murder)

djw6611 · April 19, 2005, 01:40 AM

must have slipped and fallen getting into the cell block

what a shame...........

Overman · April 19, 2005, 02:01 AM

Yeah, it looks like he was resisting arrest by hitting the officer's fist with his face.

LAK · April 19, 2005, 03:23 AM

Seems to me that if a murder suspect is being interviewed behind closed doors there ought to be two or more able people present. Terrible that it cost him his life, but I would have thought that a 27 year vet would be smarter than this.

TheeBadOne · April 19, 2005, 07:47 AM

Don't forget this guy dove through a window......on the 3rd floor........an still made it several blocks where he was still able to resist arrest violently. The window dive/ground flop did the lion's share of damage.

sendec · April 19, 2005, 08:02 AM

This is more of an issue of weapons retention. I almost always kept my gun on during interviews, in case it might be needed. I also accepted that hanging onto it was my responsibility.

Trying to interview someone in cuffs is generally counterproductive and makes it very difficult to establish rapport. It also makes its well nigh impossible to discern the non-verbal behavior of the subject, which is critical in spotting deception and inaccuracy.

Avid Concealer · April 19, 2005, 09:23 AM

If it were me personally, I would have my gun concealed while interogatting a suspect. I still can't believe that fool fool jumped from the 3rd floor! hahaha! I feel the least bit sorry for his pathetic ass!

stinx · April 19, 2005, 09:24 AM

In my dept we have a policy that if you are in a interview room with anybody,suspects,victims or witnesess your firearm has to be locked away.

hockey_78 · April 19, 2005, 10:04 AM

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He's a victim just as much as anybody else in this.

This makes me more angry than words can describe.

AttackTurtle · April 19, 2005, 05:11 PM

That picture really upsets me.

He is not bleeding enough and it looks like he could still see out of his eyes.

FrankDrebin · April 19, 2005, 07:13 PM

Remember "Detective Story" with I think it was it Kirk Douglas, every time the detectives would take someone out of the cage to interview them, they'd take their det. specials out of the holster and slip it into their pants pocket.....I used to do that....

eka · April 19, 2005, 08:20 PM

The suspect should have been patted down prior to coming into the office and the detectives weapon should have been locked up. That is precisely why those types of policies exist. However, that does not make this event any less tragic for this officer and his family. It seems as though everyone is Monday morning quartbacking a tragedy, but we must heed the lessons learned from the mistakes of others in order to develope policies and strategies that ultimately protect officers lives. I wish for a successful prosecution that will hopefully put a needle in this perps arm.

Dwight55 · April 19, 2005, 08:37 PM

I think that the fact that the suspect is able to breathe, eat, and is even alive is a valiant and profound testimony to and for those who apprehended him.

May God bless,
Dwight

univtxattorney · April 19, 2005, 08:52 PM

Have you guys seen the video of the suspect who shot the police officer and committed suicide with his own gun in the interrogation room? Sometimes the bad guys don't even have to use the officer's gun. You can find that video and details on the story here.

I think there was a thread on it a while back. Thank god he took his own life, and not the officer's.

Mike in VA · April 29, 2005, 08:52 AM

As I understnd it, he's in the mask because he was spitting and biting. If he really did what he's accused of, I'd say the officers showed admirable restraint in dealing with him.

TheeBadOne · April 29, 2005, 02:01 PM

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As I understnd it, he's in the mask because he was spitting and biting. If he really did what he's accused of, I'd say the officers showed admirable restraint in dealing with him.

.....and verbalizing "I have AIDS as he spit and bit".

April 17, 2005, 12:10 PM	#1
chris in va Senior Member Join Date: December 26, 2004 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 13,806	No handcuffs + service weapon = http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...I&SECTION=HOME Don't they handcuff suspects when interrogating?

April 17, 2005, 04:04 PM	#3
IZinterrogator Senior Member Join Date: November 8, 2004 Location: Prescott Valley, AZ Posts: 2,457	I rarely did, but I didn't take my 9mm into the interrogation booth either. __________________ "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!” - Samuel Adams

April 19, 2005, 09:23 AM	#12
Avid Concealer Senior Member Join Date: April 6, 2005 Posts: 166	If it were me personally, I would have my gun concealed while interogatting a suspect. I still can't believe that fool fool jumped from the 3rd floor! hahaha! I feel the least bit sorry for his pathetic ass! __________________ "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." ~Thomas Jefferson~

April 19, 2005, 05:11 PM	#15
AttackTurtle Senior Member Join Date: January 26, 2005 Location: Washington NJ Posts: 248	That picture really upsets me. He is not bleeding enough and it looks like he could still see out of his eyes. __________________ RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

April 19, 2005, 08:20 PM	#17
eka Senior Member Join Date: July 3, 2004 Posts: 235	The suspect should have been patted down prior to coming into the office and the detectives weapon should have been locked up. That is precisely why those types of policies exist. However, that does not make this event any less tragic for this officer and his family. It seems as though everyone is Monday morning quartbacking a tragedy, but we must heed the lessons learned from the mistakes of others in order to develope policies and strategies that ultimately protect officers lives. I wish for a successful prosecution that will hopefully put a needle in this perps arm. __________________ EKA Sic Semper Tyrannis

April 17, 2005, 01:44 PM	#2
tlm225 Senior Member Join Date: December 21, 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 962	Generally, no.

April 18, 2005, 02:07 AM	#5
djw6611 Member Join Date: December 3, 2004 Posts: 43	If you are just questioning a suspect and they are not technically under arrest, you cannot handcuff them. Generally you are questioning them in order to get enough probable cause to link them to a crime thus allowing an arrest.

April 18, 2005, 09:06 PM	#6
TheeBadOne Junior member Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,191	This is a photo of the suspect after he was taken into custody for murdering the Detective (his 1st appearance since the murder)

April 19, 2005, 01:40 AM	#7
djw6611 Member Join Date: December 3, 2004 Posts: 43	must have slipped and fallen getting into the cell block what a shame...........

April 19, 2005, 02:01 AM	#8
Overman Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2005 Location: Colorado (not Denver or Boulder) Posts: 186	Yeah, it looks like he was resisting arrest by hitting the officer's fist with his face.

April 19, 2005, 03:23 AM	#9
LAK Junior member Join Date: May 14, 2002 Posts: 2,251	Seems to me that if a murder suspect is being interviewed behind closed doors there ought to be two or more able people present. Terrible that it cost him his life, but I would have thought that a 27 year vet would be smarter than this.

April 19, 2005, 07:47 AM	#10
TheeBadOne Junior member Join Date: January 12, 2002 Location: USA Posts: 1,191	Don't forget this guy dove through a window......on the 3rd floor........an still made it several blocks where he was still able to resist arrest violently. The window dive/ground flop did the lion's share of damage.

April 19, 2005, 08:02 AM	#11
sendec Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2005 Posts: 517	This is more of an issue of weapons retention. I almost always kept my gun on during interviews, in case it might be needed. I also accepted that hanging onto it was my responsibility. Trying to interview someone in cuffs is generally counterproductive and makes it very difficult to establish rapport. It also makes its well nigh impossible to discern the non-verbal behavior of the subject, which is critical in spotting deception and inaccuracy.

April 19, 2005, 09:24 AM	#13
stinx Member Join Date: August 31, 1999 Posts: 86	In my dept we have a policy that if you are in a interview room with anybody,suspects,victims or witnesess your firearm has to be locked away.

April 19, 2005, 07:13 PM	#16
FrankDrebin Junior member Join Date: May 21, 2004 Posts: 1,101	Remember "Detective Story" with I think it was it Kirk Douglas, every time the detectives would take someone out of the cage to interview them, they'd take their det. specials out of the holster and slip it into their pants pocket.....I used to do that....

April 19, 2005, 08:37 PM	#18
Dwight55 Senior Member Join Date: June 18, 2004 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 2,568	I think that the fact that the suspect is able to breathe, eat, and is even alive is a valiant and profound testimony to and for those who apprehended him. May God bless, Dwight __________________ www.dwightsgunleather.com If you can breathe, . . . thank God! If you can read, . . . thank a teacher! If you are reading this in English, . . . thank a Veteran!

April 19, 2005, 08:52 PM	#19
univtxattorney Senior Member Join Date: March 26, 2005 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 103	Have you guys seen the video of the suspect who shot the police officer and committed suicide with his own gun in the interrogation room? Sometimes the bad guys don't even have to use the officer's gun. You can find that video and details on the story here. I think there was a thread on it a while back. Thank god he took his own life, and not the officer's. __________________ BOUNTY HUNTER: Any man who skips out on his bail can be hunted like an animal, although not eaten. All you gotta do is sit through a four-hour training course. DALE GRIBBLE: You're telling me there's a poorly-trained, quasi-legal police force that operates with few, if any, government controls? IT'S ABOUT TIME!

April 29, 2005, 08:52 AM	#20
Mike in VA Senior Member Join Date: October 16, 1998 Location: Santa FE, NM Posts: 2,163	As I understnd it, he's in the mask because he was spitting and biting. If he really did what he's accused of, I'd say the officers showed admirable restraint in dealing with him. __________________ M2 The Second Amendment IS homeland defense!

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