LCP II in 22LR

lunger · December 31, 2019, 01:25 PM

Just noticed Ruger is making the LCP in 22. https://ruger.com/products/lcpII/models.html
Might make a good kit gun or plinker. I believe they have added a manual safety. Any interest ?

Chettt · December 31, 2019, 03:23 PM

That looks like something I will buy. Keep the price low Ruger.

Bartholomew Roberts · December 31, 2019, 10:34 PM

Is it smaller than the .32 ACP?

franco45 · December 31, 2019, 11:04 PM

I'm interested. It looks like fun.

burrhead · December 31, 2019, 11:09 PM

I have one of the 380s and like it. If Ruger brings out the .22 without a thumb safety I'd buy it in a heartbeat just for a plinker. Maybe get one anyway after the teething pains are over.

wmg1299 · December 31, 2019, 11:45 PM

I'm not a big fan of the safety, but am definitely interested in the gun. I'll have to wait for some reliability testing before I decide to buy.

OhioGuy · January 1, 2020, 09:16 AM

Interesting -- hadn't heard about it. In a way it's kind of like the Shield EZ, just scaled down.

Meaning, Shield EZ began as a 9mm sized gun, chambered in .380 (lower recoil) and with lighter springs making it easier to rack.

This is a .380 sized gun, chambered in .380 (lower recoil), with lighter springs and easier to rack. From the photos there on the site, it looks like it has the same target audience (older men, and women).

10+1 rounds in a pocket pistol is not a bad thing in any caliber. Thing I'd most worry about is reliability in firing. In many thousands of rounds of 9mm or .38 spl I think I've had exactly 3 failures to fire, ever. I've had MANY more than that in .22 lr. At least in a .22 revolver you just keep pulling. In an LCP, you have to execute a tap-rack on a gun the size of a deck of cards. That isn't terribly easy even without stress. A lighter slide could help, but it's still not easy to manipulate such a small gun.

That's why I eventually gave up on pocket .380s. I could shoot them ok, and they were kinda fun in their own right, but when it came to executing any kind of malfunction drill or reload -- or even drawing -- I was never very consistent. I found small revolvers so much easier to use, when I can't carry a 9mm (which isn't too often).

Cheapshooter · January 1, 2020, 10:23 AM

Why did Ruger screw up a great idea with a thumb safety?

Carl the Floor Walker · January 1, 2020, 11:12 AM

If it had a Gen 2 trigger (not LCPll) and around $150.00 I would be interested.

Wag · January 1, 2020, 11:39 AM

I could like it a great deal. Thumb safety doesn't bother me at all. Don't care for the magazine safety..........

--Wag--

aarondhgraham · January 2, 2020, 10:11 AM

I am a fan of owning the same pistol in centerfire and rimfire,,,
In fact I own 11 RF/CF pairs.

I believe I will pass on this one though,,,
For some reason they don't hold an appeal to me.

Aarond

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9x19 · January 2, 2020, 02:09 PM

"Any interest?"

Not with a manual safety... I'll have to wait for the 'Pro' version.

TruthTellers · January 2, 2020, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aarondhgraham

I am a fan of owning the same pistol in centerfire and rimfire,,,
In fact I own 11 RF/CF pairs.

I believe I will pass on this one though,,,
For some reason they don't hold an appeal to me.

Aarond

.

Same for me, I've reached my limit for small .22's and I feel most of the appeal for this LCP is a trainer for the .380 LCP. I don't have an interest in the .380 LCP 2, I want it in a .32 and if the recoil is low enough that I can shoot more than 20 rounds a session, then I'm fine with paying $13 for 50 rounds because in .32 that ammo is going to be the same ammo I carry.

TruthTellers · January 2, 2020, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OhioGuy

Interesting -- hadn't heard about it. In a way it's kind of like the Shield EZ, just scaled down.

Meaning, Shield EZ began as a 9mm sized gun, chambered in .380 (lower recoil) and with lighter springs making it easier to rack.

This is a .380 sized gun, chambered in .380 (lower recoil), with lighter springs and easier to rack. From the photos there on the site, it looks like it has the same target audience (older men, and women).

10+1 rounds in a pocket pistol is not a bad thing in any caliber. Thing I'd most worry about is reliability in firing. In many thousands of rounds of 9mm or .38 spl I think I've had exactly 3 failures to fire, ever. I've had MANY more than that in .22 lr. At least in a .22 revolver you just keep pulling. In an LCP, you have to execute a tap-rack on a gun the size of a deck of cards. That isn't terribly easy even without stress. A lighter slide could help, but it's still not easy to manipulate such a small gun.

That's why I eventually gave up on pocket .380s. I could shoot them ok, and they were kinda fun in their own right, but when it came to executing any kind of malfunction drill or reload -- or even drawing -- I was never very consistent. I found small revolvers so much easier to use, when I can't carry a 9mm (which isn't too often).

I can't speak to the LCP 2, but the original LCP (including the Custom) are not the easiest slide's to rack and seating a full magazine in them is ridiculous. I literally have to slam the gun into my palm to get the mag to lock in place.

Ditto on the .22 in a semi auto, I don't trust them and the only one that I'm finding I can trust is the Phoenix that is limited to standard velocity ammo and weighs 23oz.

I can't help but agree that a snub revolver is the better way to go. The benefits of a gun like the LCP has always been lower weight, faster reloads/ability to carry more rounds, slimmer profile, and lower price. Does that offset the negative associated with LCP style pistols?

As a guy on youtube says, "you be the judge."

wild cat mccane · January 2, 2020, 09:21 PM

Twisted Industries did a Kel Tec PF-9 conversion before the LCP existed.

Kinda surprised Ruger isn't just selling an upper with magazine?

I mean, an LCP is 160. To get me to buy a whole gun that isn't going to be a target shooter? 380 isn't that expensive...

kozak6 · January 4, 2020, 01:31 AM

Thing is, most of the cost of the pistol is in the slide and barrel. It's why conversion kits for all the modular pistols never went anywhere.

If the conversion kit was $150, would anyone buy one?

It's an interesting pistol, but it's not for me. I realize there is a market for a modern kit gun, a cheap plinker/trainer, and for a low slide effort/low recoil carry pistol, but I'm currently outside of those markets.

Of note, it appears to fire from a locked breech. Might even be unique for a .22 pistol.

Doug Ridley · January 5, 2020, 02:49 PM

What difference does it make if it has a safety.I'm carrying the 380 version without a safety so why not just carry the .22 cal. with safety off in a good holster. (Assuming you wanted to carry it at all).

Metric · January 8, 2020, 10:42 AM

Very interested. It's in the running for my next .22. There are some good video reviews up already on youtube. One common negative theme is light primer strikes. That's going to make me wait. I don't mind so much that they added a manual safety, but the worse-than-useless mag safety is genuinely offputting.

ThomasT · January 8, 2020, 08:14 PM

I really want one of these and found a place that is selling them for $285 with free shipping and no CC fees. I already have it in my cart I just have to hit the "Buy" button and its mine.

I have owned two Iver Johnson TP 22s and both were dead nuts reliable and shot right to the sights. But they were heavy for a 22 pocket gun since they were made from the dreaded Zinc alloy frames and steel slides. But they always fed and fired and I can't recall a single malfunction with one of them.

No a 22lr is not much or a round when it comes to stopping power but with an easy to shoot gun you can afford to practice with that makes it more likely you will make a more precise shot. Besides I just like 22s and their compact, inexpensive ammo.

And if they ever offer this gun in 32acp I WILL have one of those too. I would have liked the 32 even more than a 22lr.

bjw741 · January 8, 2020, 08:43 PM

ratshooter -- Kel Tec makes a hammer fired DAO 32acp that's the same size as the LCP.

In fact, the original hammer fired LCP was a copy of the Kel Tec design.

ThomasT · January 8, 2020, 10:36 PM

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ratshooter -- Kel Tec makes a hammer fired DAO 32acp that's the same size as the LCP.

In fact, the original hammer fired LCP was a copy of the Kel Tec design.

Yep had one back around 2005 and stupidly sold it. Great little gun. I have a new one on my GB watch list now. I also have a Taurus TCP 738 380 that has the long double action hammer fired set up and its the same size as the LCP.

Here is a good place to visually compare gun sizes to each other.

https://www.handgunhero.com/

Bill DeShivs · January 9, 2020, 12:40 AM

The Keltec P32 is actually smaller and lighter than the LCP.

ThomasT · January 9, 2020, 10:49 AM

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The Keltec P32 is actually smaller and lighter than the LCP.

They are for all intents the same size except the Ruger is .21 taller than the Keltec. And thats just because of the tab on the magazine of the Ruger. Remove the finger tab and there is no real difference in size. And yes the Ruger weighs 4oz more. And if thats more steel and less plastic I will take it. And I bet I can carry a 10oz gun as well as a 6oz gun and never know the difference.

https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/...s-ruger-lcp-ii

Bill DeShivs · January 9, 2020, 01:53 PM

Story about weight in a pocket pistol-
Years ago I broke the hammer spring on my Keltec P32 do to an incorrect video. It was almost Christmas and K/T was closed until after the first of the year. No problem- I'll just grab my NAA Guardian .32. Went to work, and at lunch I stopped by a friend's gun shop and bought another P32! There was no way I was going to carry that Little NAA brick!
The LCP is thicker and heavier than the Keltec P3AT, and the P3AT is actually bigger and heavier than the P32. It may not make any difference to you, but it does to me.

ThomasT · January 9, 2020, 02:21 PM

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The LCP is thicker and heavier than the Keltec P3AT, and the P3AT is actually bigger and heavier than the P32. It may not make any difference to you, but it does to me.

Did you even look at the chart I posted a link to? The dimisions are almost exactly the same except for the height and thats because of the finger extension on the magazine.

Kel-Tec P-32--- Ruger LCP II
Length 5.1"--- 5.17"
Height 3.5"--- 3.71"
Width 0.75"--- 0.75"
Weight 6.6 oz--- 10.6 oz
Barrel Length 2.7"--- 2.75"

The specs on the NAA Guardian show it to weigh 20.4 oz. Not really an apples to apples comparison is it?

December 31, 2019, 01:25 PM	#1
lunger Senior Member Join Date: May 17, 2007 Posts: 443	LCP II in 22LR Just noticed Ruger is making the LCP in 22. https://ruger.com/products/lcpII/models.html Might make a good kit gun or plinker. I believe they have added a manual safety. Any interest ?

December 31, 2019, 11:09 PM	#5
burrhead Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 1999 Location: Chihuahuan desert, Texas Posts: 1,148	I have one of the 380s and like it. If Ruger brings out the .22 without a thumb safety I'd buy it in a heartbeat just for a plinker. Maybe get one anyway after the teething pains are over. __________________ Join the GOA, SAF and the TSRA I'm offended by people that are easily offended.

January 1, 2020, 10:23 AM	#8
Cheapshooter Senior Member Join Date: December 2, 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 8,306	Why did Ruger screw up a great idea with a thumb safety? __________________ Cheapshooter's rules of gun ownership #1: NEVER SELL OR TRADE ANYTHING!

January 1, 2020, 11:39 AM	#10
Wag Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2010 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 988	I could like it a great deal. Thumb safety doesn't bother me at all. Don't care for the magazine safety.......... --Wag-- __________________ "Great genius will always encounter fierce opposition from mediocre minds." --Albert Einstein.

January 2, 2020, 10:11 AM	#11
aarondhgraham Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2009 Location: Stillwater, OKlahoma Posts: 8,638	I am a fan of owning the same pistol in centerfire and rimfire,,, In fact I own 11 RF/CF pairs. I believe I will pass on this one though,,, For some reason they don't hold an appeal to me. Aarond . __________________ Never ever give an enemy the advantage of a verbal threat. Caje: The coward dies a thousand times, the brave only once. Kirby: That's about all it takes, ain't it? Aarond is good,,, Aarond is wise,,, Always trust Aarond! (most of the time)

December 31, 2019, 03:23 PM	#2
Chettt Senior Member Join Date: September 30, 2006 Posts: 238	That looks like something I will buy. Keep the price low Ruger.

December 31, 2019, 10:34 PM	#3
Bartholomew Roberts member Join Date: June 12, 2000 Location: Texas and Oklahoma area Posts: 8,462	Is it smaller than the .32 ACP?

December 31, 2019, 11:04 PM	#4
franco45 Senior Member Join Date: August 29, 2010 Location: Toledo Ohio Posts: 474	I'm interested. It looks like fun.

December 31, 2019, 11:45 PM	#6
wmg1299 Senior Member Join Date: March 14, 2013 Location: DFW Metroplex Posts: 190	I'm not a big fan of the safety, but am definitely interested in the gun. I'll have to wait for some reliability testing before I decide to buy.

January 1, 2020, 09:16 AM	#7
OhioGuy Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2016 Posts: 1,089	Interesting -- hadn't heard about it. In a way it's kind of like the Shield EZ, just scaled down. Meaning, Shield EZ began as a 9mm sized gun, chambered in .380 (lower recoil) and with lighter springs making it easier to rack. This is a .380 sized gun, chambered in .380 (lower recoil), with lighter springs and easier to rack. From the photos there on the site, it looks like it has the same target audience (older men, and women). 10+1 rounds in a pocket pistol is not a bad thing in any caliber. Thing I'd most worry about is reliability in firing. In many thousands of rounds of 9mm or .38 spl I think I've had exactly 3 failures to fire, ever. I've had MANY more than that in .22 lr. At least in a .22 revolver you just keep pulling. In an LCP, you have to execute a tap-rack on a gun the size of a deck of cards. That isn't terribly easy even without stress. A lighter slide could help, but it's still not easy to manipulate such a small gun. That's why I eventually gave up on pocket .380s. I could shoot them ok, and they were kinda fun in their own right, but when it came to executing any kind of malfunction drill or reload -- or even drawing -- I was never very consistent. I found small revolvers so much easier to use, when I can't carry a 9mm (which isn't too often).

January 1, 2020, 11:12 AM	#9
Carl the Floor Walker member Join Date: June 3, 2017 Location: South Posts: 1,422	If it had a Gen 2 trigger (not LCPll) and around $150.00 I would be interested.

January 2, 2020, 02:09 PM	#12
9x19 Senior Member Join Date: October 15, 1998 Location: Sherman, TX USA Posts: 3,750	"Any interest?" Not with a manual safety... I'll have to wait for the 'Pro' version. __________________ Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!

January 2, 2020, 09:21 PM	#15
wild cat mccane Senior Member Join Date: May 22, 2011 Posts: 3,625	Twisted Industries did a Kel Tec PF-9 conversion before the LCP existed. Kinda surprised Ruger isn't just selling an upper with magazine? I mean, an LCP is 160. To get me to buy a whole gun that isn't going to be a target shooter? 380 isn't that expensive...

January 4, 2020, 01:31 AM	#16
kozak6 Senior Member Join Date: June 16, 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 3,113	Thing is, most of the cost of the pistol is in the slide and barrel. It's why conversion kits for all the modular pistols never went anywhere. If the conversion kit was $150, would anyone buy one? It's an interesting pistol, but it's not for me. I realize there is a market for a modern kit gun, a cheap plinker/trainer, and for a low slide effort/low recoil carry pistol, but I'm currently outside of those markets. Of note, it appears to fire from a locked breech. Might even be unique for a .22 pistol.

January 5, 2020, 02:49 PM	#17
Doug Ridley Senior Member Join Date: April 9, 2013 Posts: 121	What difference does it make if it has a safety.I'm carrying the 380 version without a safety so why not just carry the .22 cal. with safety off in a good holster. (Assuming you wanted to carry it at all).

January 8, 2020, 10:42 AM	#18
Metric Senior Member Join Date: December 4, 2016 Posts: 339	Very interested. It's in the running for my next .22. There are some good video reviews up already on youtube. One common negative theme is light primer strikes. That's going to make me wait. I don't mind so much that they added a manual safety, but the worse-than-useless mag safety is genuinely offputting.

January 8, 2020, 08:14 PM	#19
ThomasT Senior Member Join Date: January 22, 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 2,753	I really want one of these and found a place that is selling them for $285 with free shipping and no CC fees. I already have it in my cart I just have to hit the "Buy" button and its mine. I have owned two Iver Johnson TP 22s and both were dead nuts reliable and shot right to the sights. But they were heavy for a 22 pocket gun since they were made from the dreaded Zinc alloy frames and steel slides. But they always fed and fired and I can't recall a single malfunction with one of them. No a 22lr is not much or a round when it comes to stopping power but with an easy to shoot gun you can afford to practice with that makes it more likely you will make a more precise shot. Besides I just like 22s and their compact, inexpensive ammo. And if they ever offer this gun in 32acp I WILL have one of those too. I would have liked the 32 even more than a 22lr. Last edited by ThomasT; January 8, 2020 at 08:21 PM.

January 8, 2020, 08:43 PM	#20
bjw741 Member Join Date: March 24, 2011 Location: Bella Vista, AR Posts: 73	ratshooter -- Kel Tec makes a hammer fired DAO 32acp that's the same size as the LCP. In fact, the original hammer fired LCP was a copy of the Kel Tec design.

January 9, 2020, 12:40 AM	#22
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	The Keltec P32 is actually smaller and lighter than the LCP. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

January 9, 2020, 01:53 PM	#24
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	Story about weight in a pocket pistol- Years ago I broke the hammer spring on my Keltec P32 do to an incorrect video. It was almost Christmas and K/T was closed until after the first of the year. No problem- I'll just grab my NAA Guardian .32. Went to work, and at lunch I stopped by a friend's gun shop and bought another P32! There was no way I was going to carry that Little NAA brick! The LCP is thicker and heavier than the Keltec P3AT, and the P3AT is actually bigger and heavier than the P32. It may not make any difference to you, but it does to me. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com