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And then there was that time we went to Mars, the trip was spec 'ted metric and we did not converted to inches, feet, yards and miles. F. Guffey Last edited by F. Guffey; October 26, 2016 at 10:46 AM. |
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October 26, 2016, 10:45 AM | #28 | |
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The dipper, by Lee's description and design; he said the height of the cone of powder above the dipper will not allow for an over charge and the angle of the cone above the dipper is the came ever time. It is like hot horse shoes, it does not take me long to look at it, I do not need a spread sheet and if I did not rake the top of the dipper with a good card I would be wasting my time, discipline and a good understanding of tool use is most helpful. F. Guffey Last edited by F. Guffey; October 26, 2016 at 04:13 PM. Reason: change shirt to short |
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October 27, 2016, 11:10 AM | #29 |
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Everyone that sells anything by weight or volume, sooner or later, gets checked out by their state's bureau of weights and measures. If you buy a pound of powder, it should have not less than a pound of it. It's OK with me if it goes over.....
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October 27, 2016, 03:07 PM | #33 |
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I started loading with dippers. It is all about technique, if you're doing it right it is very consistent and can net very accurate loads. I no longer use them, except to dip powder into the pan on the scales then finish with a trickler.
While they can be accurate I always found one dipper gave me just over a starting load and the next size up would be over the max. No way to get anything in between. |
October 27, 2016, 05:03 PM | #34 | |
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October 27, 2016, 05:16 PM | #35 | |
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LEE RELOADING HANDBOOK. FIRST EDITION. Paperback – 1960 A link would have been nice or at least a title? Yes, I guess you are the only one who read the book. I am sure many of us have read other similar books.Incidentally the Second Edition of Lee's reloading manual is out and available. Lee Precision Modern Reloading 2nd Edition New Format The second edition of Lee's book was not written by Lee. Quote:
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Actually having the shakiest hand in the west would probably give you the most consistent volumes with either a thrower or dippers because you are settling the contents and removing air space. Kinda why may folks add some sort of vibration device to their powder thrower. You will get no argument from me than either dippers or throwers can give inconsistent weights. But using either of them properly can give very consistent volume. Kinda the point of the OP. |
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OK here comes the smart Alec with useless science knowledge. A cubic centimeter is a measure of volume. Liquids, solids, and gasses can be measured with volume. The milliliter was actually based of of the cubic centimeter. Yes, the two are one and he same.
Now back to the heart of the discussion. I usually weigh each and every charge for ANY rifle ammo I load. I have loaded with dippers and found I can dip a charge as accurately as a Lee auto-disk every time. I have even committed to accepting the weight variance and loading the ammo with the charge, even if weight is a bit off (I usually set my tolerance at +/- 1%, so 22gn charges in .223 are given a +/- .2gns allowance. For my one test I threw out my tolerance requirements). I found that 30 rounds of this commitment showed no accuracy difference between ammo that I reduced my tolerance to 0.5% (+/- .1gn). So... I think many other variables make way more difference than being so anal about charge weight. I would love to test further and removing the possibility of bias |
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I remember reading the anecdote in question so here is your answer. Richard Lee did in fact write the book and he was referring to Dean Grenell, who would use the dippers to figure out a good load, then go home and measure that load to share with his readers. |
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November 25, 2016, 11:29 AM | #40 | |
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R. Lee said he developed loads with dippers but his customer wanted the data to be listed in grains. It was nothing to do but weigh the dipper loads in grains. He developed the loads in starting and maximum with his scientifically designed dippers. F. Guffey |
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