12 ga. shotshells at Cabela's???

sig-9 · January 1, 2010, 05:46 PM

Thinking about going to cabella's this week.
can someone tell me what shotguns ammo Cabela's has I should buy?
Looking for 12ga. LOW RECOIL shotshells for Skeet.

It looks like they don't carry Rem. Premier STS Targets or Gun Club's??

I have one of those save $30 on $150 Purchase Cabela's Club offers to use.

oneounceload · January 1, 2010, 06:06 PM

Winchester, IIRC, makes the low recoil ammunition. Cabela's carries them:

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...set=ISO-8859-1

BigJimP · January 2, 2010, 03:05 PM

Low recoil - is a combination of less shot, and slower velocity ...

Shotshell boxes do not always tell you the velocity / but rather some will list the veloctiy in Dram Equivalent ( 2 3/4 DR EQ, 3 Dr EQ, or higher ).. So look for a shell that is 7/8 oz of shot in 2 3/4 DR EQ which will probably be around 1,150 fps / or consider 1 oz of shot in 2 3/4 DR EQ or 3 DR EQ ( 3 Dram Equivalent will be around 1,200 fps ). The reason I say "around X fps" is there is no direct equation for DR EQ to fps .... so you have to read the box ......

and to make it harder .....the boxes are not universally marked the same way ... and since you are probably looking for a shell that is 2 3/4" long ( I don't think your new gun has a 3" chamber ) be careful.

Personally, I find a 1 oz shell, at around 3 DR EQ to be a very soft shooting shell in an 8 1/2 lb O/U.

sig-9 · January 2, 2010, 03:41 PM

1oz but what about 1 1 /8 oz?

oneounceload · January 2, 2010, 03:52 PM

Quote:

1oz but what about 1 /8 oz?

If you mean 1-1/8 oz loads, that won't get you the lowest possible recoil, whereas 7/8 oz. will help more

BigJimP · January 2, 2010, 04:11 PM

1 1/8 oz shells - are way more shot than you need for Trap, Sporting Clays or Skeet especially ...... but you'll still see some die-hards out there sending those 1 1/8 oz shells downrange ( especially in Trap ).

But the same issue applies / if you want to shoot 1 1/8 oz shells for some reason - then look for 2 3/4 DR or 3 DR .... but the problem is when you find 1 1/8 oz shells they are often more than 3 DR EQ ....

Even though I'm a big guy / the effect of recoil is cumulative ...and can wear you down - especially on your mental game.

noyes · January 2, 2010, 04:22 PM

wal mart $4.67 box of 25
federal game load , game shok 1 oz. of shot 1290 fps. 3 1/4 dram eq.
medium recoil kinda

oneounceload · January 2, 2010, 04:38 PM

At the wally worlds around here, the cheapest stuff is running right around 21.00 for a four pack, so 5.25/box, plus tax. I can buy Kemen's for 52.00/flat, no tax added.

noyes · January 2, 2010, 04:44 PM

Look in the glass case that is were they keep the $4.67 a box of 25 which would be $18.68 for 100 shell.

Well at lease in Ohio

P.S. oneounceload love reading your posts on shotguns Very very informative.

oneounceload · January 2, 2010, 05:48 PM

Thanks for the kind words. Common sense and several decades helps a little. Zippy and BigJim are more well-versed.

BigJimP · January 2, 2010, 06:47 PM

Don't sell yourself short OneOunce - you bring a lot of experience and knowledge to the table ....( and we enjoy having you around man .....).

sig-9 · January 2, 2010, 07:52 PM

So let me understand this...

I have some Rem. Gun Club target.
They are 12 ga. - 2 3/4"

2 3/4 DR.EQ - 1 1/8 OZ - 7 1/2 shot - 1145 FPS

These will not differ much in recoil then 1 oz target?
What can I expect for recoil on these?

BTW: I purchased a new Browning Citori Grand Prix Sporter 30" ( $1699 !! Great Deal !!) & Browning pays for $150 of ammo purchased with the gun. This was the only loads the dealer had at the time.

BigJimP · January 2, 2010, 07:57 PM

Put your load info into this formula - that OneOunce replied to another post yesterday from superdave ...

http://www.10xshooters.com/calculato...Calculator.htm

You can't compare it to a 1oz load / unless you know what the load specs are for the 1oz shell.

oneounceload · January 2, 2010, 08:45 PM

Sig - those won't be too bad - I have some as well because they didn't have 1oz loads. They're fairly decent recoil-wise, but I do have some with 8's and you can tell the difference.

Save those hulls - even if you don't reload, you can sell them for a few cents each to someone who does.

sig-9 · January 2, 2010, 08:51 PM

is 8 more recoil then 7 1/2?

& why?

oneounceload · January 2, 2010, 09:03 PM

No, shot size doesn't have anything to do with it - the weight does. What I was trying to say was that I could only find 2-3/4 dram loads in 1oz weight using #8 shot, not using 7-1/2. I shoot a lot of sporting and I prefer 7-1/2, especially when I'm up against some 50-60 yard crossers.

In 12, the lowest recoiling shot outside of those super low Winchesters are typically loaded to 2-3/4 dram equivalent which equates to somewhere around 1145 to 1180 fps. Those type of shells will break anything out there. Some of the folks I shoot with love 7/8 or 1 oz loads at 1300 +. I like mine at 1200 or less. I'll be shooting sporting tomorrow and we'll shoot both courses - so 200+ rounds. Even with a heavy gun, it can start to get to you so that by the end fatigue sets in and you start missing those "gimme" targets

BigJimP · January 3, 2010, 01:51 PM

Like OneOunce told you - don't confuse the size of shot with the ounces of shot in a shell ...

1oz of shot is 1 oz of shot - whether the size is 9's, 8 1/2's, 8's, or 7 1/2's - it is still 1 oz of shot. What changes is the number of pellets in the 1 oz load as the shot size changes. Since 8's are smaller than 7 1/2's there will be more 8's in a 1oz shell than 7 1/2's.

A 1oz shell at 1200 fps ( whether its filled with 9's or 7 1/2's ) will have the same recoil for any given gun.

Where this gets really confusing / and why we use different sizes of shot in different shells - depends on the "kill range" for the target. 9's will only be effective in breaking a target consistently out to about 30 -35 yards - then they lose too much energy / so 35 - 45 yards you should consider 8's a better size because the bigger pellet will deliver more energy at the kill range / beyond 45 yards consider 7 1/2's a better size. You have to also factor in how the pellets of different sizes act on a target ( and it varies on what aspect of the target you see ( side, top, belly )....but in general it will take three 9's to break a clay target / two 8's / or one 7 1/2 pellet to break a clay target.

So we change our pellet size -as the optimum Kill Range changes / and we change our choke ( so we get a 30" effective enough dense pattern ) at the kill range to break a target.

sig-9 · January 3, 2010, 02:32 PM

so it a #7 1/2 - 1 1/8 oz that much more recoil then a 7 1/2 or 8 - 1 oz?

BigJimP · January 3, 2010, 04:29 PM

You asked:
so it a #7 1/2 - 1 1/8 oz that much more recoil then a 7 1/2 or 8 - 1 oz?

A shell with 1 1/8 oz of shot ( regardless of size of pellets - but say in 7 1/2's ) vs 1oz of shot ( in 9's or whatever size of pellet ) - will give you about 15% more recoil if the shells are the same velocity.

Just plug the numbers into the formula - trust me, it doesn't lie ...

sig-9 · January 3, 2010, 04:52 PM

Thank you for the calculator. That really shows the picture.

Only wish I could trade these Rem. Gun Club 1 1/8 oz for 1 oz.
I am willing to sel;l these for $15 less a case then I paid not to mention tax.

I WILL SELL THESE
Rem Gun Club Target 12 - 2 3/4 - 1 1/8 - 7 1/2 - 1145fps
$55 per case ( I paid $69.99 + tax for them)
I have 2 cases here in PA

BigJimP · January 3, 2010, 05:50 PM

I would just keep them and use them for practice .... but you can probably get someone to trade you at your local gun club....

20 boxes isn't that many .....

Dre · January 4, 2010, 02:21 AM

Dude use them - there is almost no difference in recoil...after you use them all, 1oz will feel even less recoil later.

January 1, 2010, 05:46 PM	#1
sig-9 Member Join Date: July 18, 2006 Posts: 81	12 ga. shotshells at Cabela's??? Thinking about going to cabella's this week. can someone tell me what shotguns ammo Cabela's has I should buy? Looking for 12ga. LOW RECOIL shotshells for Skeet. It looks like they don't carry Rem. Premier STS Targets or Gun Club's?? I have one of those save $30 on $150 Purchase Cabela's Club offers to use. Last edited by sig-9; January 1, 2010 at 06:02 PM.

January 2, 2010, 03:41 PM	#4
sig-9 Member Join Date: July 18, 2006 Posts: 81	1oz but what about 1 1 /8 oz? Last edited by sig-9; January 2, 2010 at 07:39 PM.

January 2, 2010, 09:03 PM	#16
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	No, shot size doesn't have anything to do with it - the weight does. What I was trying to say was that I could only find 2-3/4 dram loads in 1oz weight using #8 shot, not using 7-1/2. I shoot a lot of sporting and I prefer 7-1/2, especially when I'm up against some 50-60 yard crossers. In 12, the lowest recoiling shot outside of those super low Winchesters are typically loaded to 2-3/4 dram equivalent which equates to somewhere around 1145 to 1180 fps. Those type of shells will break anything out there. Some of the folks I shoot with love 7/8 or 1 oz loads at 1300 +. I like mine at 1200 or less. I'll be shooting sporting tomorrow and we'll shoot both courses - so 200+ rounds. Even with a heavy gun, it can start to get to you so that by the end fatigue sets in and you start missing those "gimme" targets Last edited by oneounceload; January 2, 2010 at 09:20 PM.

January 4, 2010, 02:21 AM	#22
Dre Member Join Date: December 15, 2009 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 80	sig-9 Dude use them - there is almost no difference in recoil...after you use them all, 1oz will feel even less recoil later.

January 1, 2010, 06:06 PM	#2
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Winchester, IIRC, makes the low recoil ammunition. Cabela's carries them: http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...set=ISO-8859-1

January 2, 2010, 03:05 PM	#3
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Low recoil - is a combination of less shot, and slower velocity ... Shotshell boxes do not always tell you the velocity / but rather some will list the veloctiy in Dram Equivalent ( 2 3/4 DR EQ, 3 Dr EQ, or higher ).. So look for a shell that is 7/8 oz of shot in 2 3/4 DR EQ which will probably be around 1,150 fps / or consider 1 oz of shot in 2 3/4 DR EQ or 3 DR EQ ( 3 Dram Equivalent will be around 1,200 fps ). The reason I say "around X fps" is there is no direct equation for DR EQ to fps .... so you have to read the box ...... and to make it harder .....the boxes are not universally marked the same way ... and since you are probably looking for a shell that is 2 3/4" long ( I don't think your new gun has a 3" chamber ) be careful. Personally, I find a 1 oz shell, at around 3 DR EQ to be a very soft shooting shell in an 8 1/2 lb O/U.

January 2, 2010, 04:11 PM	#6
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	1 1/8 oz shells - are way more shot than you need for Trap, Sporting Clays or Skeet especially ...... but you'll still see some die-hards out there sending those 1 1/8 oz shells downrange ( especially in Trap ). But the same issue applies / if you want to shoot 1 1/8 oz shells for some reason - then look for 2 3/4 DR or 3 DR .... but the problem is when you find 1 1/8 oz shells they are often more than 3 DR EQ .... Even though I'm a big guy / the effect of recoil is cumulative ...and can wear you down - especially on your mental game.

January 2, 2010, 04:22 PM	#7
noyes Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 1,032	wal mart $4.67 box of 25 federal game load , game shok 1 oz. of shot 1290 fps. 3 1/4 dram eq. medium recoil kinda

January 2, 2010, 04:38 PM	#8
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	At the wally worlds around here, the cheapest stuff is running right around 21.00 for a four pack, so 5.25/box, plus tax. I can buy Kemen's for 52.00/flat, no tax added.

January 2, 2010, 04:44 PM	#9
noyes Senior Member Join Date: December 27, 2008 Posts: 1,032	Look in the glass case that is were they keep the $4.67 a box of 25 which would be $18.68 for 100 shell. Well at lease in Ohio P.S. oneounceload love reading your posts on shotguns Very very informative.

January 2, 2010, 05:48 PM	#10
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Thanks for the kind words. Common sense and several decades helps a little. Zippy and BigJim are more well-versed.

January 2, 2010, 06:47 PM	#11
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Don't sell yourself short OneOunce - you bring a lot of experience and knowledge to the table ....( and we enjoy having you around man .....).

January 2, 2010, 07:52 PM	#12
sig-9 Member Join Date: July 18, 2006 Posts: 81	So let me understand this... I have some Rem. Gun Club target. They are 12 ga. - 2 3/4" *2 3/4 DR.EQ - 1 1/8 OZ - 7 1/2 shot - 1145 FPS* These will not differ much in recoil then 1 oz target? What can I expect for recoil on these? BTW: I purchased a new Browning Citori Grand Prix Sporter 30" ( $1699 !! Great Deal !!) & Browning pays for $150 of ammo purchased with the gun. This was the only loads the dealer had at the time.

January 2, 2010, 07:57 PM	#13
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Put your load info into this formula - that OneOunce replied to another post yesterday from superdave ... http://www.10xshooters.com/calculato...Calculator.htm You can't compare it to a 1oz load / unless you know what the load specs are for the 1oz shell.

January 2, 2010, 08:45 PM	#14
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	Sig - those won't be too bad - I have some as well because they didn't have 1oz loads. They're fairly decent recoil-wise, but I do have some with 8's and you can tell the difference. Save those hulls - even if you don't reload, you can sell them for a few cents each to someone who does.

January 2, 2010, 08:51 PM	#15
sig-9 Member Join Date: July 18, 2006 Posts: 81	is 8 more recoil then 7 1/2? & why?

January 3, 2010, 01:51 PM	#17
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	Like OneOunce told you - don't confuse the size of shot with the ounces of shot in a shell ... 1oz of shot is 1 oz of shot - whether the size is 9's, 8 1/2's, 8's, or 7 1/2's - it is still 1 oz of shot. What changes is the number of pellets in the 1 oz load as the shot size changes. Since 8's are smaller than 7 1/2's there will be more 8's in a 1oz shell than 7 1/2's. A 1oz shell at 1200 fps ( whether its filled with 9's or 7 1/2's ) will have the same recoil for any given gun. Where this gets really confusing / and why we use different sizes of shot in different shells - depends on the "kill range" for the target. 9's will only be effective in breaking a target consistently out to about 30 -35 yards - then they lose too much energy / so 35 - 45 yards you should consider 8's a better size because the bigger pellet will deliver more energy at the kill range / beyond 45 yards consider 7 1/2's a better size. You have to also factor in how the pellets of different sizes act on a target ( and it varies on what aspect of the target you see ( side, top, belly )....but in general it will take three 9's to break a clay target / two 8's / or one 7 1/2 pellet to break a clay target. So we change our pellet size -as the optimum Kill Range changes / and we change our choke ( so we get a 30" effective enough dense pattern ) at the kill range to break a target.

January 3, 2010, 02:32 PM	#18
sig-9 Member Join Date: July 18, 2006 Posts: 81	so it a #7 1/2 - 1 1/8 oz that much more recoil then a 7 1/2 or 8 - 1 oz?

January 3, 2010, 04:29 PM	#19
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	You asked: so it a #7 1/2 - 1 1/8 oz that much more recoil then a 7 1/2 or 8 - 1 oz? A shell with 1 1/8 oz of shot ( regardless of size of pellets - but say in 7 1/2's ) vs 1oz of shot ( in 9's or whatever size of pellet ) - will give you about 15% more recoil if the shells are the same velocity. Just plug the numbers into the formula - trust me, it doesn't lie ...

January 3, 2010, 04:52 PM	#20
sig-9 Member Join Date: July 18, 2006 Posts: 81	Thank you for the calculator. That really shows the picture. Only wish I could trade these Rem. Gun Club 1 1/8 oz for 1 oz. I am willing to sel;l these for $15 less a case then I paid not to mention tax. I WILL SELL THESE Rem Gun Club Target 12 - 2 3/4 - 1 1/8 - 7 1/2 - 1145fps $55 per case ( I paid $69.99 + tax for them) I have 2 cases here in PA

January 3, 2010, 05:50 PM	#21
BigJimP Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2005 Posts: 13,195	I would just keep them and use them for practice .... but you can probably get someone to trade you at your local gun club.... 20 boxes isn't that many .....