What powder do you use?

jjmorgan64 · April 16, 2002, 08:38 PM

What powder do you use?

Black
Pyrodex
Clean shot
Clear shot
Other

In what,

rifle,
revolvers,
BP cartridge
Other

Why

Salt · April 16, 2002, 10:19 PM

When I saw the title of your thread, I assumed you meant "What BRAND of powder do you use?"

There is gunpowder and there is that smokeless gunpowder and then there is that immitation gunpowder (Pyrodex, ect) out on the market too.

Anyway I use Goex brand, mostly because it is more available than Elephant brand. The Swiss brand is way too expensive for my budget.

mcneill · April 16, 2002, 10:20 PM

Goex Black Powder in rifles and revolvers. I like the smell. I'm thinking about trying the Clear Shot/Clean Shot tho for the clean-up superiority.

Jim

jpm63 · April 18, 2002, 11:16 AM

I use GOEX black powder for all my ML rifles. Works good and price is right.

Willing to try the new Hogdon 777 when I can. Would love to try some Swiss BP, but cannot find a place to buy a can to try.

JPM

Cornbread2 · April 18, 2002, 04:57 PM

If you like Goex try the new Chinese black powder.

It is much cheaper than Goex. It is cleaner and seems to ignite quicker.

Some of our local suppliers have droped both the Goex and the Elephant because so many people after trying the Chinese stuff will not buy the other brands anymore.

Snake Jenkins · April 25, 2002, 05:37 PM

Goex for everything, including a 3" ordinace rifle.

Snake

ms1200 · April 27, 2002, 10:19 PM

another vote for goex

tonyz · April 28, 2002, 08:13 AM

I am fairly new to black powder shoooting and I was thinking of buying a 1 LB of Clean Shot, any comments about it. Good, Bad or Indifferent.

I have heard it is a good substitute powder.

Tony

Cornbread2 · May 7, 2002, 03:55 PM

No subtitute comes close to the real thing.

Poodleshooter · May 7, 2002, 04:11 PM

Goex and Pyrodex. It's getting very hard to find Goex around here for a decent price. I can get Pyrodex for $12 a pound, but finding Goex for less than $15 is tough.
Tried elephant once before i heard about the difference in grain size from the Goex standard. That FFg Elephant was DIRTY in my .50!
What are you guys paying for Elephant, Goex and this new Chinese stuff that I've never heard of?

Cornbread2 · May 7, 2002, 10:57 PM

In my opinion the Chinese is better than Goex.

I paid about $4.75 for the Chinese and about $6 to $7 for Goex.

They are robbing you.

**4V50 Gary** · May 8, 2002, 10:23 AM

Cornbread2: not to challenge you, but please qualify your opinion. I'm curioius and have never tried Chinese powder.

Myself, I use Goex in 2F, 3F and 4F. No blackpowder cartridge guns (OK, I have a trapdoor) and all mine all muzzleloaders.

Poodleshooter · May 8, 2002, 11:33 AM

$6-7 per pound?! Is this when purchased in 1# lots, or in bulk?
People wonder why I go to gunshows instead of the local gunshops....
Oh well. I just found a source for cheap #11 CCI caps. Bought 1000 for $23. that should last me a little while.

Cornbread2 · May 8, 2002, 02:16 PM

I shot Goex for years. There is nothing wrong with it.

A lot of our local shooters were trying the Chinese powder and they all liked it.

A friend gave me a pound to try and I really liked it.

My flinter was so much quicker with the Chinese powder than Goex or Elephant. I can use FFF in the barrel and the pan and it is quicker than using FFF Goex in the barrel and FFFF Goex in the pan.

It does not seem to foul nearly as bad a Goex but fouling is never a problem if you use my lube. I can shoot the dirty old Elephant with heavy loads all day and never have to clean between shots.

A friend that still uses wonderlube that changed over to the Chinese powder now says he does not have as much problem with fouling that he used to have with Goex.

I do not have a cronograph but the same charge of Chinese powder seems hotter than the same charge of Goex.

A friend has a caplock that always gives him problems with hangfires and missfires when it gets dirty. It always screwed up untill he started using the Chinese powder.
Now he can shoot all day without a problem.

About a month ago we went to our powder supplier to buy a few cases. He no longer keeps Elephant and he said that when his stock of Goex is gone he will not order any more of it.
He said that most everyone that tries the Chinese powder will not buy the Goex again.

We bought a bunch of the Chinese.

**4V50 Gary** · May 8, 2002, 05:30 PM

Thanks Cornbread. Guess I'll try it out after all. Guess after all those thousands of years of making firecrackers they'd get it right.

Cornbread2 · May 9, 2002, 09:04 AM

A few years ago some of the guys bought a few cases of the Elephant powder.

Most of these guys didnt like it because it was so dirty. Just two or three heavy charges would make their rifle impossible to load so they gave me almost a case of it.

This was fine with me because with my patch lube fouling is not a problem. I can burn a whole lb of it in one day and the last shot loads as easy as the first.

I burnt all this powder and I really liked it.

I decided to buy some more of this powder and found out they had "improved" it.

Now it is not consistant as far as the size of the grains. A can of FFF will look like FF and some FF will look like FFFF. Most were not getting good accuracy with it.

Poodleshooter · May 10, 2002, 10:21 AM

Any website or information about this "Chinese" powder??

Cornbread2 · May 10, 2002, 12:35 PM

You might do a shearch for Dragon brand powder and find some info.

We paid about $4.35 a lb by the case or about $6 a lb by buying single cans.

You can contact Cormans Sporting 904 east main street,
Standford Ky 40484.

Poodleshooter · May 10, 2002, 02:58 PM

Thanks! My maxi-balls are free, my caps are dirt cheap, and now my powder will be too!

Mike Weber · May 14, 2002, 02:07 AM

Any of you folks tried the new Triple Seven from Hogedons yet? I've been hearing some good things about it. I was just wondering if any of you has had any experience with it? I shoot both GOEX and Pyrodex now. If what I'm hearing about Triple 7 is true I might switch to it.

Sixgun · May 21, 2002, 07:43 PM

Goex brand blackpowder

Fatelvis · May 26, 2002, 09:21 AM

I like Clean Shot. I know it isnt "authentic", but I like the fact that you dont have to race home, and clean your gun. Ive also gotten great accuracy, with it.

PACKIN' PLASTIC · May 30, 2002, 11:05 PM

Are there any online stores that sell this Chinese powder?

PP

MikePower · May 31, 2002, 12:11 AM

Poodleshooter,

I just ordered a case from

Deer Creek Products,P.O. Box 246
Waldron, IN 46182
Phone: 765/525-6181 FAX: 765/525-9595.

Nice folks. $4.60/lb plus $20 hazmat for case of 25; you can mix 'em up. Plus shipping, o'course.

The rumours seem to be put in place just to stir things up. No spider eggs in it. There's a product review thread over on the Sass wire that's a couple days old but pretty good, I think.

Goatlips

tonyz · June 6, 2002, 09:51 PM

I tried Hodgdons new triple 7 and I like this powder. It shoots faster then BP and burns very nice, I had no ignition problems using FFFG and fouling was not to bad at all. clean up was a snap with soap and water. Over all it the best substitute powder I have tried. Might be the best powder for me.

Here is a very good indepth artical on the powder!!

http://www.prbullet.com/777.htm

Tony

April 16, 2002, 10:20 PM	#3
mcneill Senior Member Join Date: November 1, 2000 Location: Texas Hill Country Posts: 288	Goex Black Powder in rifles and revolvers. I like the smell. I'm thinking about trying the Clear Shot/Clean Shot tho for the clean-up superiority. Jim __________________ NRA Patron; TSRA Life; NMLRA; JPFO; SAS Associate "His name was Jeremiah Johnson, and he wanted to be a mountain man. ... He was looking for a Hawken gun, .50 caliber or better. He settled for a .30, but d*** it was a genuine Hawken. You couldn't go no better."

April 18, 2002, 11:16 AM	#4
jpm63 Member Join Date: March 26, 2001 Location: Michigan Posts: 75	BP I use GOEX black powder for all my ML rifles. Works good and price is right. Willing to try the new Hogdon 777 when I can. Would love to try some Swiss BP, but cannot find a place to buy a can to try. JPM

April 28, 2002, 08:13 AM	#8
tonyz Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2000 Location: Wa Posts: 922	I am fairly new to black powder shoooting and I was thinking of buying a 1 LB of Clean Shot, any comments about it. Good, Bad or Indifferent. I have heard it is a good substitute powder. Tony __________________ Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained

May 8, 2002, 10:23 AM	#12
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	Cornbread2: not to challenge you, but please qualify your opinion. I'm curioius and have never tried Chinese powder. Myself, I use Goex in 2F, 3F and 4F. No blackpowder cartridge guns (OK, I have a trapdoor) and all mine all muzzleloaders. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!*

May 8, 2002, 05:30 PM	#15
4V50 Gary Staff Join Date: November 2, 1998 Location: Colorado Posts: 21,832	Thanks Cornbread. Guess I'll try it out after all. Guess after all those thousands of years of making firecrackers they'd get it right. __________________ Vigilantibus et non dormientibus jura subveniunt. *Molon Labe!* Last edited by 4V50 Gary; May 8, 2002 at 05:53 PM.

April 16, 2002, 08:38 PM	#1
jjmorgan64 Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2001 Posts: 519	What powder do you use? What powder do you use? Black Pyrodex Clean shot Clear shot Other In what, rifle, revolvers, BP cartridge Other Why __________________ The Forty-Four spoke and it sent lead and smoke And seventeen inches of flame. -Marty Robbins JM

April 16, 2002, 10:19 PM	#2
Salt Junior member Join Date: December 26, 2001 Posts: 673	When I saw the title of your thread, I assumed you meant "What BRAND of powder do you use?" There is gunpowder and there is that smokeless gunpowder and then there is that immitation gunpowder (Pyrodex, ect) out on the market too. Anyway I use Goex brand, mostly because it is more available than Elephant brand. The Swiss brand is way too expensive for my budget.

April 18, 2002, 04:57 PM	#5
Cornbread2 Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 165	If you like Goex try the new Chinese black powder. It is much cheaper than Goex. It is cleaner and seems to ignite quicker. Some of our local suppliers have droped both the Goex and the Elephant because so many people after trying the Chinese stuff will not buy the other brands anymore.

April 25, 2002, 05:37 PM	#6
Snake Jenkins Registration in progress Join Date: April 18, 2002 Posts: 37	Goex for everything, including a 3" ordinace rifle. Snake

April 27, 2002, 10:19 PM	#7
ms1200 Senior Member Join Date: March 17, 2002 Posts: 133	another vote for goex

May 7, 2002, 03:55 PM	#9
Cornbread2 Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 165	No subtitute comes close to the real thing.

May 7, 2002, 04:11 PM	#10
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	Goex and Pyrodex. It's getting very hard to find Goex around here for a decent price. I can get Pyrodex for $12 a pound, but finding Goex for less than $15 is tough. Tried elephant once before i heard about the difference in grain size from the Goex standard. That FFg Elephant was DIRTY in my .50! What are you guys paying for Elephant, Goex and this new Chinese stuff that I've never heard of?

May 7, 2002, 10:57 PM	#11
Cornbread2 Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 165	In my opinion the Chinese is better than Goex. I paid about $4.75 for the Chinese and about $6 to $7 for Goex. They are robbing you.

May 8, 2002, 11:33 AM	#13
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	$6-7 per pound?! Is this when purchased in 1# lots, or in bulk? People wonder why I go to gunshows instead of the local gunshops.... Oh well. I just found a source for cheap #11 CCI caps. Bought 1000 for $23. that should last me a little while.

May 8, 2002, 02:16 PM	#14
Cornbread2 Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 165	I shot Goex for years. There is nothing wrong with it. A lot of our local shooters were trying the Chinese powder and they all liked it. A friend gave me a pound to try and I really liked it. My flinter was so much quicker with the Chinese powder than Goex or Elephant. I can use FFF in the barrel and the pan and it is quicker than using FFF Goex in the barrel and FFFF Goex in the pan. It does not seem to foul nearly as bad a Goex but fouling is never a problem if you use my lube. I can shoot the dirty old Elephant with heavy loads all day and never have to clean between shots. A friend that still uses wonderlube that changed over to the Chinese powder now says he does not have as much problem with fouling that he used to have with Goex. I do not have a cronograph but the same charge of Chinese powder seems hotter than the same charge of Goex. A friend has a caplock that always gives him problems with hangfires and missfires when it gets dirty. It always screwed up untill he started using the Chinese powder. Now he can shoot all day without a problem. About a month ago we went to our powder supplier to buy a few cases. He no longer keeps Elephant and he said that when his stock of Goex is gone he will not order any more of it. He said that most everyone that tries the Chinese powder will not buy the Goex again. We bought a bunch of the Chinese.

May 9, 2002, 09:04 AM	#16
Cornbread2 Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 165	A few years ago some of the guys bought a few cases of the Elephant powder. Most of these guys didnt like it because it was so dirty. Just two or three heavy charges would make their rifle impossible to load so they gave me almost a case of it. This was fine with me because with my patch lube fouling is not a problem. I can burn a whole lb of it in one day and the last shot loads as easy as the first. I burnt all this powder and I really liked it. I decided to buy some more of this powder and found out they had "improved" it. Now it is not consistant as far as the size of the grains. A can of FFF will look like FF and some FF will look like FFFF. Most were not getting good accuracy with it.

May 10, 2002, 10:21 AM	#17
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	Any website or information about this "Chinese" powder??

May 10, 2002, 12:35 PM	#18
Cornbread2 Junior member Join Date: March 21, 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 165	You might do a shearch for Dragon brand powder and find some info. We paid about $4.35 a lb by the case or about $6 a lb by buying single cans. You can contact Cormans Sporting 904 east main street, Standford Ky 40484.

May 10, 2002, 02:58 PM	#19
Poodleshooter Senior Member Join Date: August 7, 2000 Location: Floating down the James River in VA Posts: 2,599	Thanks! My maxi-balls are free, my caps are dirt cheap, and now my powder will be too!

May 14, 2002, 02:07 AM	#20
Mike Weber Senior Member Join Date: April 24, 2002 Location: Northern California Posts: 238	Triple 7 Any of you folks tried the new Triple Seven from Hogedons yet? I've been hearing some good things about it. I was just wondering if any of you has had any experience with it? I shoot both GOEX and Pyrodex now. If what I'm hearing about Triple 7 is true I might switch to it.

May 21, 2002, 07:43 PM	#21
Sixgun Junior member Join Date: May 17, 2002 Posts: 50	Goex brand blackpowder

May 26, 2002, 09:21 AM	#22
Fatelvis Senior Member Join Date: June 10, 2001 Location: Lockport, IL Posts: 490	I like Clean Shot. I know it isnt "authentic", but I like the fact that you dont have to race home, and clean your gun. Ive also gotten great accuracy, with it.

May 30, 2002, 11:05 PM	#23
PACKIN' PLASTIC Member Join Date: July 31, 2001 Location: USA Posts: 46	Are there any online stores that sell this Chinese powder? PP

May 31, 2002, 12:11 AM	#24
MikePower Member Join Date: April 15, 2000 Posts: 18	Dragon Brand Poodleshooter, I just ordered a case from Deer Creek Products,P.O. Box 246 Waldron, IN 46182 Phone: 765/525-6181 FAX: 765/525-9595. Nice folks. $4.60/lb plus $20 hazmat for case of 25; you can mix 'em up. Plus shipping, o'course. The rumours seem to be put in place just to stir things up. No spider eggs in it. There's a product review thread over on the Sass wire that's a couple days old but pretty good, I think. Goatlips __________________ There is not a truth existing which I fear, or would wish unknown to the whole world. -Thomas Jefferson

June 6, 2002, 09:51 PM	#25
tonyz Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2000 Location: Wa Posts: 922	I tried Hodgdons new triple 7 and I like this powder. It shoots faster then BP and burns very nice, I had no ignition problems using FFFG and fouling was not to bad at all. clean up was a snap with soap and water. Over all it the best substitute powder I have tried. Might be the best powder for me. Here is a very good indepth artical on the powder!! http://www.prbullet.com/777.htm Tony __________________ Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained