Why shooting from the hip can be so important for CQ

Cheetah-lagra · December 29, 2008, 11:38 AM

When entering or moving through a building most CQ teams use
primary- or secondary weapons. Anything can happen around a
corner where the suspect grasps the primary; you have to go
for the secondary.

Pulling the sidearm whilst busy fighting of the
suspect with you other hand, means that you have
to start shooting from where the firearm leaves the holster.
It does not mean that you have to have the weapon parallel;
a slightly downward pointing can do the damage as well.

In a way you can do a two to a four round burst before your
weapon is straight out in front of you. Now, in this case, it is
if you really wants to get tactical— most of the time suspects
don’t get so close, but I’ve seen suspects still fighting with
a couple in the chest.

charles isaac · December 29, 2008, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Pulling the sidearm whilst busy fighting of the
suspect with you other hand, means that you have
to start shooting from where the firearm leaves the holster.
It does not mean that you have to have the weapon parallel;
a slightly downward pointing can do the damage as well.

Your description of driving the projectiles low and downward is an excellent old school Police tactic from a politically incorrect era. With this close combat shooting tactic, the bullets tear through the intestines before delivering a shocking blow to the pelvis, .......... etc. Very few people will be able to effectively engage after sustaining wounds such as these and most bullet proof vests are a worthless defense against shots delivered in this manner.

Many American departments/agencies train the pistol shooter to immediately rotate the pistol and, if possible, acquire a two hand hold at the firing side hip as soon as it clears the holster, therefore it is ready to fire with no need to extend the shooting hands any further. The problem is, most courses of fire only allow for a few shots from the one handed or two handed hip position, resulting in a very low level of "hip firing" skill among their personnel. The crowd with no skill at hip firing are the ones that are usually against it.

Training lately has reverted back to teaching personnel to "gut shoot", but only after the initial shots have been delivered to the chest. Basically, it looks cleaner in the investigation that way.

**Bud Helms** · December 30, 2008, 05:20 AM

Moving this to Tactics and Training.

troy_mclure · December 30, 2008, 11:56 AM

i praticed fire from the hip with my ccw gun, i found if i shift over in front of my belly as i shoot, and raise to bring the sights to eye level i can hit targets much better.

the shooting in the pelvis thing was used alot in cali during the pcp craze, its was the only way to stop them.

garryc · December 30, 2008, 12:39 PM

We do a holster roll one handed into the pelvis. It would be an extreemly painful hit. It also has a high likelyhood of shutting down the nerves that control the legs. No way I'm going to do it when at contact range other than straight to the pelvis. Too easy to loose control of the gun. Get it out and pound him fast.

December 29, 2008, 11:38 AM	#1
Cheetah-lagra Junior Member Join Date: December 26, 2008 Location: Freestate Province, South Africa Posts: 11	Why shooting from the hip can be so important for CQ When entering or moving through a building most CQ teams use primary- or secondary weapons. Anything can happen around a corner where the suspect grasps the primary; you have to go for the secondary. Pulling the sidearm whilst busy fighting of the suspect with you other hand, means that you have to start shooting from where the firearm leaves the holster. It does not mean that you have to have the weapon parallel; a slightly downward pointing can do the damage as well. In a way you can do a two to a four round burst before your weapon is straight out in front of you. Now, in this case, it is if you really wants to get tactical— most of the time suspects don’t get so close, but I’ve seen suspects still fighting with a couple in the chest. __________________ What is the best firearm? The one in your hand, when you need one.

December 30, 2008, 11:56 AM	#4
troy_mclure Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2008 Location: gulf of mexico Posts: 2,716	i praticed fire from the hip with my ccw gun, i found if i shift over in front of my belly as i shoot, and raise to bring the sights to eye level i can hit targets much better. the shooting in the pelvis thing was used alot in cali during the pcp craze, its was the only way to stop them. __________________ There is only one tactical principle which is not subject to change. It is to use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wound, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

December 30, 2008, 05:20 AM	#3
Bud Helms Senior Member Join Date: December 31, 1999 Location: Middle Georgia, USA Posts: 13,198	Moving this to Tactics and Training.

December 30, 2008, 12:39 PM	#5
garryc Senior Member Join Date: November 12, 2005 Posts: 2,536	We do a holster roll one handed into the pelvis. It would be an extreemly painful hit. It also has a high likelyhood of shutting down the nerves that control the legs. No way I'm going to do it when at contact range other than straight to the pelvis. Too easy to loose control of the gun. Get it out and pound him fast.