April 16, 2009, 12:08 AM | #1 |
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Pietta bolt on Colts
I have two colts from pietta and both of the bolts have been too wide to fit right. They ping up the cyl. are they all like that icluding the service parts? Can I find replacements that fit right so I dont have to be a kitchen table gunsmith?
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April 16, 2009, 12:13 AM | #2 |
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Do you mean the cylinder pin (the big fat threaded bolt the cylinder spins on) are too fat to let your cylinder spin freely on?
I have a Uberti colt dragoon (.44) and with a bit of grease and the wedge in correctly, it spins fine? Have tou replaced the cylinder pins and the new ones are too fat, or have the guns always been like this?
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Long time lurker first time poster. I have an 1851 Pietta and have ordered a replacement parts kit and both of my bolts are too wide also and have peened my cylinder to where I am going to replace them. Basically the only fix I am aware of is an article by Larsen Pettifogger (he may be on this site) which details the fix so all credit goes to him. I have the article downloaded and am sure it is around the net somewhere but I am not sure how to upload it so I will copy and paste a few passages detailing the fix. The article has some good photos which will help so if you can find it and download you will be all set. It is called Tuning the Pietta Part 1 and 2 and goes into great detail on more than just the bolt issue. Anyway here are some parts detailing the bolt fix. Again all credit goes to Larsen E. Pettifogger (SASS # 32933L).
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April 16, 2009, 03:34 AM | #4 |
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I've only got one Pietta Colt and it's fine. I've got a Pietta 58 Remington and it's ok too. No problems of any kind with either one
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April 16, 2009, 06:40 AM | #5 |
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Do you mean the cylinder pin (the big fat threaded bolt the cylinder spins on) are too fat to let your cylinder spin freely on?
I have a Uberti colt dragoon (.44) and with a bit of grease and the wedge in correctly, it spins fine? The bolt is the little block of metal that sticks up from the receiver, and locks the cylinder in place. It doesn't look like a bolt, but that is what it is called. I have shaved down a fat bolt with a belt sander. Turn the sander upside down and set it on a table. Use a small grit, 80 or 100. Hold the bolt in the hand and touch it to the spinning belt for a second. Try it, to see how it fits in the cylinder notch. If your home gunsmithing is inadequate, parts can be ordered at VTIgunparts.com |
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do ya'll think that replacment bolts from other sources fit better than factory pietta? Thanks for the responses and info!
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April 16, 2009, 08:09 AM | #7 |
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remove the cylinder and bolt from the gun- test fit the bolt into the cylinder notches- if the bolt is too wide, file the sides of the bolt, until it fits the slots- then reassemble and time it
if the bolt is coming out too soon and scratching the cylinder, that is a timing issue, and is adjusted by filing the finger on the bolt, where is rides on the trigger cam. On some bolts you can bend it to adjust, but if they are hardened well, you have to file or grind them, to adjust the timing. |
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Generally, replacement bolts are over size. They must be fit to the revolver. Read these two links about open top Colts, it should help. http://www.theopenrange.net/articles...a_Part_One.pdf http://www.theopenrange.net/articles...a_Part_Two.pdf |
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April 16, 2009, 11:51 AM | #10 |
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I've done the entire Pettifogger conversion on my main match pistols. They work wonderfully. You'll find that when the bolt is properly fitted that the gun doesn't even sound the same as you cycle it. I think the bolts should be listed as "some gunsmithing required".
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Yea...deff. should be advertised as "Some smithing required!" haha Thank you all for your help, I'll go through the articles and give it a shot. If it doesnt work I gots me a back up plan, thanks ya'll!
Also gotta say that this is a great forum, I havent been here very long but its a great tool and I'm learning alot, great hobby, great people!
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Thanks for the links and info fellas.
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you may very well have to file the sides and top of the bolt, to get it to fit and time correctly- my Euroarms 1851, the bolt was not fully engaging into the cylinder notches, the bolt was too wide- that one I had to file both sides of bolt. On my 1858 Remington Navy Arms, the bolt was to tall/high and was not dropping down out of the way, jamming up the cylinder when the trigger was pulled back- and would not rotate the cylinder- that one I had to file the top down and make shorter. So I've had to file the sides and tops of bolts, to get them to work correctly- the main thing here is, take material off very slowly with a hand file- file it a few times, fit it, file it a little more, fit it.
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Cap'n,
I'd just advise you to change one word: jamming up the cylinder when the trigger was pulled back. I think you meant "the hammer was pulled back". There is almost no part of any firearm that does not have to be fitted to that firearm, be it C&B or CF. C&B, I think the mfgs purposely make some of the parts, such as the bolt, oversize so you CAN fit them. Wedges are almost standard. Springs ARE standard. Bolt and possibly hand are not to the thou. You may have to stone the hand to get your timing right. Some assembly required is appropriate for these thing, tho' when they come from the factory, they are generally shootable. YMMV depending on maker and vendor. I have had no problems, even with replacement parts. Cheers, George |
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