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Old November 16, 2018, 06:14 PM   #51
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Have to wonder if WA may change their reciprocity rulings for concealed carry sometime in the future.
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Old November 16, 2018, 07:39 PM   #52
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The text of 1639 (as written in the WA voter pamphlet) contains no language about carry, open or concealed, by state or out of state residents. Carry is not addressed at all.

SO, 1639 creates no changes in carry law or policy.

If the people involved make changes to WA state policy about reciprocity, that's entirely their own decision, not something driven by 1639, except as its passage emboldens further gun control enthusiasts.
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Old November 17, 2018, 06:31 AM   #53
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Never said it was part of the proposal, just noted it is may come; that's all!
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Old November 25, 2018, 08:31 AM   #54
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Does this mean what I think it means? You now must release all of your medical records before you can purchase?

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Sec. 7. RCW 9.41.094 and 2018 c 201 s 6004 are each amended to read as follows:

A signed application to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic
assault rifle shall constitute a waiver of confidentiality and
written request that the health care authority, mental health
institutions, and other health care facilities release, to an
inquiring court or law enforcement agency, information relevant to
the applicant's eligibility to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic
assault rifle to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency.
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Old November 25, 2018, 02:15 PM   #55
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Does this mean what I think it means? You now must release all of your medical records before you can purchase?
I had not noticed that section before, but what I get from the quoted text is that by APPLYING to purchase you are giving consent for all your medical (and mental health) records to be released to investigating agencies. What ever the investigators deem necessary.

What's the harm in that???


here's a possible example;
untrained, unqualified people making decisions using medical records they don't understand.

hmmm, says here, you were on anti-depressants for four months in 1993...clearly you are an unstable person, no pistol or semiautomatic assault weapon for YOU!!!!

Do remember, human nature being what it is, at least some of those people will have a personal agenda against private firearms ownership, and will act on it at every opportunity. Someone like that, could potentially "downcheck" hundreds, perhaps thousands of applications, before their obvious bias becomes known, if it ever does. Until/unless there is an actual investigation into their integrity, even the flimsiest of excuses can pass muster.

In the example I used, their report could just say "applicant on medication for behavioral control" and leave out the small detail that it was for a limited time 25 years ago!!
Got a chronic pain issue? On meds (Opioid dependent?)
Did you go to grief counseling after your mother unexpectedly dropped dead on the kitchen floor at age 52?
Are you a VETERAN???
you might be classified as someone with a PTSD problem and NOT by the medical profession, but by an investigator! And once they put you in that box on their forms, good luck getting out. Reality matters less than you think, sometimes.

Things like that could very well happen.
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Old November 25, 2018, 11:49 PM   #56
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If this is allowed to stand, then the constitution is meaningless now.
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Old November 26, 2018, 11:47 AM   #57
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Oh, come on now. Kavanaugh will save you.

Seriously, there is more to the Constitution than an initiative. When antigun laws were passed in many states and SCOTUS wouldn't take up the cases, was the Constitution meaningless?
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Old November 26, 2018, 12:17 PM   #58
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Wow speechless and that’s saying a lot for me
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