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Old December 30, 2018, 01:59 PM   #1
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Illinois bans ivory

Bill Status of HB4843 100th General Assembly
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Short Description: IVORY BAN

House Sponsors
Rep. Martin J. Moylan - Laura Fine - Linda Chapa LaVia, Sara Feigenholtz, Robyn Gabel, Sam Yingling, Natalie A. Manley, Frances Ann Hurley, Margo McDermed, Rita Mayfield and David S. Olsen

Senate Sponsors
(Sen. Linda Holmes , Julie A. Morrison, Bill Cunningham, Laura M. Murphy and John F. Curran)

Last Action
Date Chamber Action
8/14/2018 House Public Act . . . . . . . . . 100-0857

Statutes Amended In Order of Appearance
New Act


Synopsis As Introduced
Creates the Ivory Ban Act. Provides that it shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, offer for sale, purchase, barter, or possess with intent to sell, any ivory, ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or rhinoceros horn product. Provides that these provisions do not apply to specified antique weapons or musical instruments. Establishes penalties for violation of the Act. Provides that the Department of Natural Resources may permit, under terms and conditions as the Department may adopt by rule, the import, sale, offer for sale, purchase, barter, or possession with intent to sell, of any ivory, ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or rhinoceros horn product for bona fide educational or scientific purposes, unless this activity is prohibited by federal law. Provides that the Department may adopt any rules necessary for the implementation of the Act.

Actions
Date Chamber Action
2/14/2018 House Filed with the Clerk by Rep. Martin J. Moylan
2/14/2018 House First Reading
2/14/2018 House Referred to Rules Committee
3/7/2018 House Assigned to Consumer Protection Committee
3/12/2018 House Added Chief Co-Sponsor Rep. Laura Fine
4/9/2018 House Do Pass / Short Debate Consumer Protection Committee; 003-002-000
4/10/2018 House Placed on Calendar 2nd Reading - Short Debate
4/13/2018 House Second Reading - Short Debate
4/13/2018 House Placed on Calendar Order of 3rd Reading - Short Debate
4/13/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Sara Feigenholtz
4/18/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Robyn Gabel
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Sam Yingling
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Natalie A. Manley
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Frances Ann Hurley
4/19/2018 House Added Chief Co-Sponsor Rep. Linda Chapa LaVia
4/19/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Margo McDermed
4/20/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. Rita Mayfield
4/23/2018 House Third Reading - Short Debate - Passed 061-044-001
4/24/2018 Senate Arrive in Senate
4/24/2018 Senate Placed on Calendar Order of First Reading
4/24/2018 House Added Co-Sponsor Rep. David S. Olsen
4/24/2018 Senate Chief Senate Sponsor Sen. Linda Holmes
4/24/2018 Senate First Reading
4/24/2018 Senate Referred to Assignments
4/24/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. Julie A. Morrison
5/1/2018 Senate Assigned to Environment and Conservation
5/10/2018 Senate Do Pass Environment and Conservation; 005-000-001
5/10/2018 Senate Placed on Calendar Order of 2nd Reading May 15, 2018
5/11/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. Bill Cunningham
5/17/2018 Senate Second Reading
5/17/2018 Senate Placed on Calendar Order of 3rd Reading May 18, 2018
5/17/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. Laura M. Murphy
5/22/2018 Senate Added as Alternate Co-Sponsor Sen. John F. Curran
5/24/2018 Senate Third Reading - Passed; 049-000-000
5/24/2018 House Passed Both Houses
6/22/2018 House Sent to the Governor
8/14/2018 House Governor Approved
8/14/2018 House Effective Date January 1, 2019
8/14/2018 House Public Act . . . . . . . . . 100-0857
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Old December 30, 2018, 02:10 PM   #2
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any ivory, ivory product
Any law that cannot be enforced is a bad law. Let's see how they try to enforce as there are many sources of Ivory, not to mention bone. You will have to have a method of testing the material at hand to determine if it's truly Ivory..

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Old December 30, 2018, 02:30 PM   #3
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Old December 30, 2018, 02:52 PM   #4
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I wonder if the state will still sale Elk tags ?
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Old December 30, 2018, 03:07 PM   #5
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What is the point of this? Is there a big problem with rhinoceros poaching in Illinois?
I thought elephant ivory was already banned federally and by international treaty, with very few exceptions for antiques.
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Old December 30, 2018, 03:22 PM   #6
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What is the point of this?
A big part of politics is creating the illusion of activity when nothing productive is actually being done.
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Old December 30, 2018, 04:12 PM   #7
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Trying to restrict the marketing of Ivory

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What is the point of this?
Exactly and I recall that a number of years back Colorado passed a law, making it illegal to shoot Grizzly Bears. Never mind that Grizzly had not been spotted for many years. But just in case one happened to wander down, he was covered. ….

Perhaps some are back but don't know. ?? …

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Old December 30, 2018, 04:37 PM   #8
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A big part of politics is creating the illusion of activity when nothing productive [emphasis added] is actually being done.
There is the unintended consequence of making elk, walrus, mammoth, and narwhal ivory illegal. Seems like this would be a violation of the 5th Amendment takings clause.
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Old December 30, 2018, 05:48 PM   #9
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any ivory, ivory product,
Guess my soap is in trouble.....................

Seriously, another "Let's do SOMEthing!" feel-good BS that does nothing but - as mentioned above - gives the snowflakes the illusion that their leaders are doing something.
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Old December 30, 2018, 07:55 PM   #10
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I think the fashionable words are "virtue signaling".
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Old December 30, 2018, 08:15 PM   #11
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Going no where !!!

Well, Chicago is a sanctuary city so perhaps we could import some from Central-America into China town. If Y 'all haven't been to China town, It's a neat area to visit. …..

Colt and others, have issued some of their SA's with Ivory grips. …..

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Old December 30, 2018, 09:15 PM   #12
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Actually Rhino horn 'dust' is considered a sex enhancement / aphrodisiac powder by some eastern cultures, of which Chicago has a large population of.
But, this material is already protected under federal statute.

As such, +1 for JohnKSa.
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Old December 30, 2018, 10:21 PM   #13
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Wonder what they will do about used pianos with ivory keys.
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Old December 31, 2018, 02:27 AM   #14
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Actually Rhino horn 'dust' is considered a sex enhancement / aphrodisiac powder by some eastern cultures, of which Chicago has a large population of.
But, this material is already protected under federal statute.
Well, they will still have their tiger penis soup, shark fin soup and whale sushi! We good!

Next time you’re at the local pol hall though, keep a lookout for the sting operation. Many nicer cues have ivory.
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Old December 31, 2018, 05:25 AM   #15
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Illinois; the very heart of the illegal ivory trade!

If you ask me, it's far too late, and it doesn't go far enough. The ivory bartering epidemic is out of control and is by far the most serious sociopolitical problem Illinois faces. It is my understanding that there isn't a single living mammoth, narwhal, or walrus left in Illinois! And then, the only rhinos, hippos, and elephants left in Illinois are in zoos! I can't believe the ivory crisis has driven things to this level. It's shameful.

If only there were national (or even international) restrictions on the trade of ivory.

Seriously, though, it's a bunch of virtue signaling nonsense.

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http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publ...?Name=100-0857
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Section 12. Exemptions. The prohibitions under Section 10
shall not apply:
(1) When the ivory or rhinoceros horn is part of a bona
fide antique gun or knife and is less than 20% by volume of
the antique, and the seller establishes by documentation
that the antique is not less than 100 years old.
(2) When the ivory or rhinoceros horn is part of a
musical instrument, including, but not limited to, a string
or wind instrument or piano, and that is less than 20% by
volume of the instrument, and the owner or seller provides
historical documentation demonstrating provenance and
showing the item was manufactured no later than 1975.
Huh. So they can only go on an old gun, and maybe on a big one. Revolver grips might be difficult. Generally speaking, what percentage by volume are pistol grips anyways? Percent by volume seems hostile and deliberately difficult to measure since you'd pretty much have to immerse the (valuable antique) pistol in question.

Unless you get some mastodon ivory, which may or may not be restricted.
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A big part of politics is creating the illusion of activity when nothing productive is actually being done.
Kinda like the People's Republic of Boulder city council declaring Boulder a 'nuclear free zone'..I'm sure the chinese took the republic off their targets list..
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Old December 31, 2018, 09:19 AM   #17
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Only a matter of time and they will do the same to Whale oil.
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Old December 31, 2018, 09:25 AM   #18
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Wonder what they will do about used pianos with ivory keys.
In federal law, you can still sell old pianos with ivory keys. You cannot, however, strip the ivory tops and sell those separately. Bottom line, then, is if you want to refurbish and old piano and replace ivory key tops, you can buy an old piano, whole and intact, THEN strip off the ivory and use it on the refurb job.

Most likely, similar for pistol grips, et al but worth checking the details, including state laws, before getting into trouble with it.

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I suspect this new law is much ado about nothing. If you aren't advertising in the media, how would a government agency ever KNOW you were buying or selling?

Traditionally, IVORY was from the teeth/tusk of a elephants and mammoths. It is also found in Walruses, Hippos, Sperm whales, and Hornbills (an East Indian bird.) There is even a vegetable "ivory" from the seeds of the South American ivory palm (about the size of a small hen's egg) and all sorts of synthetic ivories -- which are quite durable and can be very attractive. Ditto some horn and antler materials.

I've had synthetic ivory grips, and they're great.
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When the ivory or rhinoceros horn is part of a bona fide antique gun or knife and is less than 20% by volume of the antique, and the seller establishes by documentation that the antique is not less than 100 years old.
So, you can put new ivory on an antique gun or knife? How does this help?
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Anytime they ban something like this, there is something going on in the background that they are trying to control & only time will tell how they will spin the new laws to cover it.
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