RCBS seating die? Or is this die a Lee seating die

[F. Guffey]

http://www.gunauction.com/buy/13766111


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Q: After looking at your dies listed as a 2 die set I thought the seating die looked like a Lee seating die. I do not need the dies but thought you should know. 07/30/2016
A: I just got out the RCBS 2 Die Set. Both dies are marked RCBS on each of the dies and they are in the green RCBS box. Hope you have a pleasant weekend. 07/30/2016

And then I asked him about the 'O' ring lock nut and the Lee style seating plug.

I had no ideal RCBS changed their seating plug design. I went through the extra effort to sort through MidwayUSA, they have Lee dies that look like Lee dies but I can not find RCBS dies that look like Lee dies.

F. Guffey

[Jim Watson]

RCBS site shows an RCBS seating die that looks like an RCBS die. Not like a Lee die. I think the advertiser is having you on.

http://www.rcbs.com/Products/Dies-by...-Cartridg.aspx

I guess you could buy it and then post a clear picture of the roll mark on the Lee-ish seating die. It might make the advertiser look like a monkey but that is kind of expensive oneupsmanship.

[F. Guffey]

kind of expensive oneupsmanship.

I will not be the victim, I do not need the dies but if he sells the dies and someone is not happy with the dies it will cost the purchaser shipping and insurance to return the dies.

But if the die is a Lee there is a very good chance the seller will be required to return all the money and pay for shipping and insurance.

F. Guffey

[briandg]

Based on over a half dozen points of comparison, Lee to rcbs equipment, I'm going to say that the seater is absolutely not rcbs. I would call him out on it, because that thing is clearly going to be marked with Lee on the roll mark.

It's possible that he has one of those ridiculous Lee "Rgb" dies, and he's just mistaken, but regardless, I'm throwing the BS! flag.

I wish that the photos were clear, I can't see the typical wrench flats clearly or read the marks.

Unless I'm mistaken, right now, Lee is the only die maker that doesn't knurl their gear.

[F. Guffey]

I would call him out on it

I did not call him on it, I suggested the die was not RCBS and looked like a Lee die. He insisted the die was RCBS then I asked him about the locking nut with the 'O' ring and it was about that time he suggested I call RCBS.

My only motive was to make sure he listed the item correctly and he did not appreciate my effort. If I am wrong I need to contact him, I have no fewer than 8 boxes of steel stencil sets for letters and numbers. Stamping the Lee die with RCBS does not make it a RCBS die.

F. Guffey

[GWS]

Agreed! Either the seller took pictures of the wrong seater, or he means to screw someone. You can email the gun auction company with a warning.

[cw308]

F. Guffey
That is not a RCBS seating die, I'm sure you knew it from the start. Some guy's won't admit when there wrong.

[math teacher]

Why would anyone pay $40 for used dies, when they are $35.49 for new RCBS or $28.79 for new Lee at MidwayUsa?

[Scorch]

If you bother to scroll down, someone else asked the same question and the seller confirmed that both dies are marked RCBS.

[FrankenMauser]

Lee die, all the way.
That's one pig-headed seller.

[F. Guffey]

If you bother to scroll down,

Scorch, I bothered, I took the time, I posted the question. I should have contacted M. DelaCruz. Somehow I believe Manny is going to get involved, I hope I did not disappointed him but I thought contacting the seller was the first best choice.

CW308, Frank Mauser, math teacher, thank you for the responses. The seller’s last reply had me wondering if something went on between Lee and RCBS I did not know about.

The seller demanded I contact RCBS, problem; I talked to RCBS about one of my Rock Chcukers very recently, the conservation went OK but I do not like it when I tell them who is calling and they say "OH! You again".

F. Guffey

[Jim Watson]

"someone else asked the same question and the seller claimed that both dies are marked RCBS."

Fixed that for you, as the Internet Generation says.
Pictures are suspiciously fuzzy when showing the body of the seating die with roll mark.

[higgite]

Wonder how he explains why the "RCBS" seating die in the box doesn't look like the RCBS seating die in the picture on the instructions in the box lid.

[briandg]

One of the things that makes me absolutely positive is that rcbs wouldn't use aluminum. Not a chance. They rise a lot of other alternative metals on various products, but nothing I have owned contained aluminum other than my scale pan.

Aluminum wears too badly, bends too easily, dents easily. Imo, the standard die design of steel body and threaded steel components is as good as it can be made. The idea of the die is to have precise, concentric tools.. hatever the accents, such as c carbide or elliptical spindles, the core design features have worked, unchanged, since before my father was born

[cw308]

F.Guffey
That response from RCBS customer service was surprising, I guess RCBS could have hired an A Hole. That response should be reported. Maybe he's a friend of the seller.

[briandg]

actually, I dealt with them myself a couple months ago, and the guy I exchanged emails with was snotty, plain old nasty. Rather condescending, the sort of person I would have called to my office. Didn't bother reporting him as the complaint would have gone straight to his email. Nobody should all caps a full message.

[F. Guffey]

The seller demanded I contact RCBS, problem; I talked to RCBS about one of my Rock Chcukers very recently, the conservation went OK but I do not like it when I tell them who is calling and they say "OH! You again".

F.Guffey
That response from RCBS customer service was surprising, I guess RCBS could have hired an A Hole. That response should be reported. Maybe he's a friend of the seller.

CW308, please forgive, the conversation with RCBS had to do with a ram falling out of the bottom of one of my ROCK CHUCKERS, they could not have been nicer. RCBS treats me better than I deserve. The seller demanded I contact RCBS, I did not contact RCBS because I had just talked to them about the ROCK CHUCKER; I did not want my welcome warring thin as in "OH! You again".

My apologies to everyone.

F. Guffey

[cw308]

F. Guffey
Thats OK, your really giving that Rockchucker a workout. That's my only press, have used it for 25+ years & its never given me a problem. I'm reloading 500 cases max.per year though. Be Well. Chris

[jaguarxk120]

Why not ask the seller to post a better picture of the RCBS stamping of the die in question.

[849ACSO]

I would bet a payroll check that seating die is a Lee.......... my $.02......

[mikld]

Hmmm. Never seen a seating die made by RCBS with an aluminum knob on it...

If you brought this up to the seller and he denied the fact that that is a Lee die, I think I'd contact the auction site and lodge a complaint. You did give him a chance to own up to his "mistake"...

[Scorch]

Here's what the RCBS dies look like, and they even cost less!
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/42...5-06-remington

[briandg]

this story can only get worse, right?

I just noticed something. That's not a two die set. It is a 12029, full length sizer die only, not a set. somebody put these dies together as a set.

Just looking at the box made me think that it was used equipment all along, but I thought that maybe it was just shopworn.

Why this single die was paired up with the lee die if it wasn't by someone who intended to use them just beats me.

[F. Guffey]

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“I don't want to get into a debate with you buy I told you I have the dies in front of me. They both have RCBS on them. If you don't believe me contact RCBS and ask them. This discussion is over. Thank you for your concern. Have a good weekend.” And “I just got out the RCBS 2 Die Set. Both dies are marked RCBS on each of the dies and they are in the green RCBS box. Hope you have a pleasant weekend.”

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F. Guffey

[briandg]

stupid, a liar, or both, and gun broker handled it very poorly.