223 for long range

skizzums · March 27, 2014, 11:40 PM

hello everyone, i just ordered 300 77gr berger 223 bullets for a 600yard shoot

i have mostly only loaded 50-55gr and a about 500 62gr tracers, i am running a little short on powders, probably have just enough h335 to load the 300 and also have imr4064

i assume the h335 would be the better option since i might be compressing with such a large bullet with the imr

i will start low and work up of course, just wanna pick your brains since i have never loaded for a distance round, or a heavy 223 round

any pet loads would be helpful advice

thanks

SonOfGun · March 28, 2014, 09:06 AM

Is this 600 yard match for a NRA High Power match?

Are you using an AR-15?

If you are shooting High Power the 600 yard stage is slow fire, single load.

If you are shooting an AR you don't have to worry about magazine fit so you may not compress powder as much as you might think. Seat bullet long.

I use a Sierra 80 gr. match for 600 yard stage.

My first choice for powder would be the IMR 4064.

MtnCreek · March 28, 2014, 10:07 AM

Agree on the 4064. 8208 is my choice for 75/77 gr bullets, but I haven't used Bergers.

skizzums · March 28, 2014, 04:45 PM

very cool, i can get all the 4064 i need, just not the h335

Thank you, ill give it a try, i bought the 4064 a few months back and just havent tried it out yet

Jimro · March 28, 2014, 07:21 PM

I've used IMR4064 under 80gr Amax's in 223. It will do you fine with 77gr Sierras.

Good luck with the wind. Seems like every time I go 500 yards or longer the wind spanks me like a bad puppy.

Jimro

skizzums · March 28, 2014, 09:15 PM

how much powder are youpushing for an 80gr? i am seeing a starting of 20gr to max of 23.0gr, do i need to try to push max to get that kind of distance accurately? i ask because the h335 is showing me about 50+fps with 2k less psi, how fast do i need to go to stay supersonic to, i dunno, 500 yards? or should that even be a real concern. i see alot of people pushing the 4064 to 24.5gr for 600yard, just wondering why they would need that much more over max, and would it be safer to just use the h335 so i am not pushing the psi as far

iraiam · March 29, 2014, 05:12 PM

In my experience you will probably be much happier with the IMR 4064 vs the H335 for 80 grain bulets.

I use H335 for 55 and 62 grain bullets, anything heavier I use a different powder.

skizzums · March 29, 2014, 05:22 PM

okay, that's pretty much everyone saying 4064, guess I should stop looking for a different answer. thank you

NWPilgrim · March 30, 2014, 12:51 AM

H335 does well for me up to 69 gr. from then on Varget is the best of what I have tried. IMR4064 and Varget are very similar burn rate so I would expect it to do better than H335.

As a side note, I find BL-C2 does very well from 55 gr - 77 gr.

castnblast · March 30, 2014, 12:08 PM

Also 335 tends to get temp sensitive. Stick with extruded powders for long range. H4895 is usually readily available as well. Due to shortages I have been forced to experiment more and found CFE 223, h4895, 4064, varget and IMR's 8208 XBR all to get great results. With 8208 and 4064 getting best results.

MtnCreek · March 31, 2014, 08:14 AM

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how much powder are youpushing for an 80gr? i am seeing a starting of 20gr to max of 23.0gr, do i need to try to push max to get that kind of distance accurately? i ask because the h335 is showing me about 50+fps with 2k less psi, how fast do i need to go to stay supersonic to, i dunno, 500 yards? or should that even be a real concern. i see alot of people pushing the 4064 to 24.5gr for 600yard, just wondering why they would need that much more over max, and would it be safer to just use the h335 so i am not pushing the psi as far

Accuracy and consistency. Low extreme spread is way more valuably at distance than another 50 fps or so.

JimDandy · March 31, 2014, 08:49 AM

I haven't shot long range, but I have played around with 77grain Nosler Custom Competitions, and Reloder 15. That did give me a fairly amazing group size given how bad/new of a rifle shooter I am.

March 27, 2014, 11:40 PM	#1
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	223 for long range hello everyone, i just ordered 300 77gr berger 223 bullets for a 600yard shoot i have mostly only loaded 50-55gr and a about 500 62gr tracers, i am running a little short on powders, probably have just enough h335 to load the 300 and also have imr4064 i assume the h335 would be the better option since i might be compressing with such a large bullet with the imr i will start low and work up of course, just wanna pick your brains since i have never loaded for a distance round, or a heavy 223 round any pet loads would be helpful advice thanks __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

March 28, 2014, 04:45 PM	#4
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	very cool, i can get all the 4064 i need, just not the h335 Thank you, ill give it a try, i bought the 4064 a few months back and just havent tried it out yet __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

March 28, 2014, 07:21 PM	#5
Jimro Senior Member Join Date: October 18, 2006 Posts: 7,097	I've used IMR4064 under 80gr Amax's in 223. It will do you fine with 77gr Sierras. Good luck with the wind. Seems like every time I go 500 yards or longer the wind spanks me like a bad puppy. Jimro __________________ Machine guns are awesome until you have to carry one.

March 28, 2014, 09:15 PM	#6
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	how much powder are youpushing for an 80gr? i am seeing a starting of 20gr to max of 23.0gr, do i need to try to push max to get that kind of distance accurately? i ask because the h335 is showing me about 50+fps with 2k less psi, how fast do i need to go to stay supersonic to, i dunno, 500 yards? or should that even be a real concern. i see alot of people pushing the 4064 to 24.5gr for 600yard, just wondering why they would need that much more over max, and would it be safer to just use the h335 so i am not pushing the psi as far __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed Last edited by skizzums; March 28, 2014 at 09:44 PM.

March 29, 2014, 05:12 PM	#7
iraiam Senior Member Join Date: September 6, 2012 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 1,057	In my experience you will probably be much happier with the IMR 4064 vs the H335 for 80 grain bulets. I use H335 for 55 and 62 grain bullets, anything heavier I use a different powder. __________________ NRA Lifetime Member Since 1999 "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials." George Mason

March 28, 2014, 09:06 AM	#2
SonOfGun Senior Member Join Date: February 25, 2012 Location: Utah Posts: 111	Is this 600 yard match for a NRA High Power match? Are you using an AR-15? If you are shooting High Power the 600 yard stage is slow fire, single load. If you are shooting an AR you don't have to worry about magazine fit so you may not compress powder as much as you might think. Seat bullet long. I use a Sierra 80 gr. match for 600 yard stage. My first choice for powder would be the IMR 4064.

March 28, 2014, 10:07 AM	#3
MtnCreek Senior Member Join Date: December 14, 2010 Posts: 176	Agree on the 4064. 8208 is my choice for 75/77 gr bullets, but I haven't used Bergers.

March 29, 2014, 05:22 PM	#8
skizzums Senior Member Join Date: July 1, 2013 Location: Douglasville, Ga Posts: 4,615	okay, that's pretty much everyone saying 4064, guess I should stop looking for a different answer. thank you __________________ My head is bloody, but unbowed

March 30, 2014, 12:51 AM	#9
NWPilgrim Senior Member Join Date: September 29, 2008 Location: Oregon Posts: 2,346	H335 does well for me up to 69 gr. from then on Varget is the best of what I have tried. IMR4064 and Varget are very similar burn rate so I would expect it to do better than H335. As a side note, I find BL-C2 does very well from 55 gr - 77 gr.

March 30, 2014, 12:08 PM	#10
castnblast Senior Member Join Date: July 2, 2006 Location: Corpus Christi TX Posts: 1,148	Also 335 tends to get temp sensitive. Stick with extruded powders for long range. H4895 is usually readily available as well. Due to shortages I have been forced to experiment more and found CFE 223, h4895, 4064, varget and IMR's 8208 XBR all to get great results. With 8208 and 4064 getting best results. __________________ VEGETARIAN...old indian word for bad hunter

March 31, 2014, 08:49 AM	#12
JimDandy Senior Member Join Date: August 8, 2012 Posts: 2,556	I haven't shot long range, but I have played around with 77grain Nosler Custom Competitions, and Reloder 15. That did give me a fairly amazing group size given how bad/new of a rifle shooter I am.