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May 5, 2018, 02:25 AM | #26 | |
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That said, I would also spend the additional money to engage an attorney well-versed in my state's self-defense laws to tell me when and under what circumstances I could legally use the thing. What kind of "self-defense" scenario are you envisioning? In general, once you have reason to believe there is someone on your property, as soon as you pick up your gun (with thermal sight attached) and go out the door looking for the intruder, you become the aggressor. A few states (most notably Texas) have laws allowing the use of deadly force to protect personal property, but unless you're defending a herd of cattle from being stolen after midnight even the Texas statute (regarded by many as most permissive) becomes so complex that you really need to hold the court hearing before you pull the trigger. |
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May 5, 2018, 02:37 AM | #27 | |
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Intentionally pick up a rifle with a night-vision scope and go out onto your property with the intent of engaging an intruder - up to and including the possible application of deadly force (why else did you take the rifle?) - is answering an RSVP to a criminal trial, a civil lawsuit and a bankruptcy hearing. Everyone I have known who actually pulled the trigger in a so-called self-defense situation (except me) has been ruined - criminally, financially, socially, and/or professionally - by it. |
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May 5, 2018, 02:12 PM | #28 |
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^^^
Much too much reverence.
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May 5, 2018, 08:54 PM | #29 | |
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I don't know any top end "civilian" thermal gear that is significantly better at $12K as it is at $8k for the Trijicon IR Hunter MK3 4.5x 60mm and there is some very good thermal that costs a lot less. I know the ground pounders we take hunting are impressed with the thermal gear we let them use given it was better than anything that they were using in Afghanistan on their rifles. No doubt the military has some really good stuff, but it isn't stuff the average Joe is packing.
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May 6, 2018, 02:05 AM | #30 |
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I went with a PVS-14 and and IR laser and IR light on my rifle.
The advantage it gives in the dark is amazing. I try to train in passive mode so I don't use the IR light and only turn on the IR laser for a second or two. I aso have a FLIR Scout PS240. I use it handheld to scan and detect. It's resolution is pretty coarse and the refresh rate is far too slow but for detection it is good and then the PVS14 would take over. I mounted it on my 10/22 for fun and it shoots to the center of the view finder at 10 yards with this setup so if the target is close and it's very dark it'll do. |
May 6, 2018, 03:27 PM | #31 |
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I'm currently looking at the XQ50 and comparing features and prices to other manufacturers models.
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May 7, 2018, 08:34 AM | #32 |
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Which XQ50, the Pulsar Apex or Pulsar Trail? I am actually pro staff for a vendor and have used both. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
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May 7, 2018, 11:34 PM | #33 |
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Probably the XQ50 Trail but I'm not sure yet.. just going by youtube video's.
What's the difference between them? |
May 17, 2018, 03:58 PM | #34 | |
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The scenario being described here does not sound like one that can be easily defended as self-defense. |
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May 17, 2018, 06:03 PM | #35 | |
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With that said, he is wrong in saying no amount of outer camouflage or debris can hide the heat. Lots of things hide the heat. I see that all the time when hunting animals. I see it in my fellow hunters in winter time. The more layers they have on, the more their heat signature is hidden from thermal. By describing the bright red silhouette, it sounds like he is describing a feature present on FLIR's "intsalert palette where the hottest portions of objects are designated as red. I find that it tends to create a more confusing image. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoOBVqjgxfw
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March 1, 2020, 04:52 PM | #36 |
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Thread resurrection -
I recently bought this. For the money it is outstanding. No way to readily mount it to a rail, which I am not concerned about. Adjustable from white or black hot to colors. Takes pics or video, rechargable. It does not work though glass windows or doors, at least during the winter time. You must have an unobstructed view. Haven't tried it through screen yet. Works past the advertised 100 yards, but the heat signature will be a blob, not detailed, still giving you a return of someone or something in the woods. Very happy for the money other than not coming with a protective case. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1 EDIT * It was listed for $429 when I bought mine |
March 13, 2020, 10:10 PM | #37 |
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Thermal monocular? sure..
Helmet or weapon mounted Predator/Rambo set up? No
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March 14, 2020, 10:05 AM | #38 |
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we hunt with atn nv and thermal gear , there nv stuff is nice cause u dont have to swap it off for daytime use , im currently using an x sight 4k pro 5-20x 54x with extended digital zoon) ( the vid), also a atn x sight hd 4-12x and an atn thor thermal/ atn mono , which u can only use at night time for the most part been really happy with both
this is the 4k at night with a sniper hog lights 66lrx illuminator on it the fence in the back of the vid is 700 yards away with the sniper hog lights coyote cannon we can see 1000-1100 yards ill have to look threw my vids for the thermal stuff and the better nv vids i have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeK-8lIvIkg |
March 14, 2020, 10:34 AM | #39 |
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ATN has the absolute worst customer service in the NV/Thermal industry. You can find posts all over that talk about problems people have. When it works, it works pretty darned good. When it doesn't, you have a boat anchor.
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March 14, 2020, 01:44 PM | #40 |
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ive heard , i havent had any issues so far , and if i do i have a friend to make sure it gets taken care of
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April 1, 2020, 01:19 PM | #41 |
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Recommnd you use yard light off surronding buildings, oriented tosilhouette your perimeter, and avoid illuminaing your positions.
have an alternate communication set-up to get the calvary inbound. |
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