Kel-Tec new shotgun coming?

TRguy · January 3, 2011, 01:55 PM

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=5...okSocial010310

Looks like Kel-Tec is coming out with a new shotgun

14+1 Bullpup, bottom eject,

Technosavant · January 3, 2011, 02:07 PM

Weird.

I'm eager to see how it actually does. I can't figure out if it's a breakthrough in the self defense shotgun world, or if it's an unholy abomination. The ability to have both slugs and shot loaded and switching between them at the flick of a switch is impressive.

oneounceload · January 3, 2011, 03:31 PM

It's the US-made version of this:
http://homemadedefense.blogspot.com/...dual-tube.html
whose importation was disallowed to the non-sporting nature of the gun

nefprotector · January 3, 2011, 07:19 PM

Very interesting.

egor20 · January 3, 2011, 07:25 PM

Kel-Tec new shotgun coming

Waiting for the new "Action Movie" it will be in

bigghoss · January 3, 2011, 07:44 PM

just because it's a bullpup with two mag tubes doesn't mean it's based off the neostead. the mag tubes on the neostead are over the barrel and the pump mechanism is reverse of the kel-tec and most shotguns.

Onward Allusion · January 3, 2011, 11:11 PM

I want one! That and the PMR-30. Just for the tacticool factor. Doesn't matter if it shoots!

scorpion_tyr · January 4, 2011, 12:56 AM

If that thing is real I'll probably be selling all of my Kel-Tecs... but I'll at least hold one first...

ausher · January 4, 2011, 01:13 AM

im defiantly gonna get one when it comes available and if i got the $$$. that be badass with a .50ae desert eagle mounted to the lower accessory rail instead of a front mounted grip

Falcon642 · January 4, 2011, 02:21 AM

One of the knocks on using a shotgun for home defense is that shotguns are too long to be maneuvered through doorways. This Kel Tec has me intrigued because the distance from my shoulder to the tip of the barrel wouldn't be much longer than the distance from my shoulder to the tip of the barrel of my pistol when I am in a shooting stance.

The short length of this Kel Tec seems to make it an ideal home defense shotgun to me. I could use it, and my 5'7 wife could use it alot easier than my Ithaca 37.

PTK · January 4, 2011, 02:31 AM

Just when I thought the muzzle blast on the PMR and RFB were bad... that may be an 18" barrel, but it's close to your head. Real close.

Bill DeShivs · January 4, 2011, 02:42 AM

Got one on order......
Picked up my PMR 30 today!

maierar · January 4, 2011, 08:36 AM

I'm hoping it comes with screw-in chokes for sporting clays.

nefprotector · January 4, 2011, 01:51 PM

Im buying one if possible.

**Mike Irwin** · January 4, 2011, 02:13 PM

A friend and I have been talking about these.

We're thinking we're going to wait until there's at least some track record of how they work, but I am VERY interested in possibly picking one up.

essohbe · January 4, 2011, 02:36 PM

^ what he said.

Please, post feedback if anyone here ends up with one of these!

rantingredneck · January 4, 2011, 02:49 PM

Quote:

just because it's a bullpup with two mag tubes doesn't mean it's based off the neostead. the mag tubes on the neostead are over the barrel and the pump mechanism is reverse of the kel-tec and most shotguns.

It borrows enough from the Neostead to say accurately that it's based on it.

2 mag tubes, switchable between the two, bullpup. Yeah. It's based on it.

I can see where they improved it. Fixed the backward pumpstroke. Looks as if it's loadable without removing the magazine tubes (That always seemed bassackward on the Neostead).

UniversalFrost · January 4, 2011, 03:03 PM

if they incorporated a recoil reducing system into it (like the knoxx comp stock) that would be a done deal for me.

bigghoss · January 4, 2011, 03:22 PM

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It borrows enough from the Neostead to say accurately that it's based on it.

2 mag tubes, switchable between the two, bullpup. Yeah. It's based on it.

I can see where they improved it. Fixed the backward pumpstroke. Looks as if it's loadable without removing the magazine tubes (That always seemed bassackward on the Neostead).

by that reasoning the glock is based off the 1911 because it's recoil operated with a tilting barrel. there is a difference between copying a design and refining it and coming up with something then borrowing features from others that have gone before. now it may be that they copied the design but there is enough of a difference that until someone at KT comes out and says that they did so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

smee78 · January 4, 2011, 03:27 PM

I like it, can't wait for a range report.

rantingredneck · January 4, 2011, 03:46 PM

Quote:

by that reasoning the glock is based off the 1911 because it's recoil operated with a tilting barrel. there is a difference between copying a design and refining it and coming up with something then borrowing features from others that have gone before. now it may be that they copied the design but there is enough of a difference that until someone at KT comes out and says that they did so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Where did I use the word copy?

Yes, it's based on the Neostead. It is not a copy of the Neostead, obviously.

Glenn E. Meyer · January 4, 2011, 04:01 PM

Oh, no! Now in every What should I buy for the wife/gf thread - someone will mention this! Sorry Pax!

Looks like it could be fun - if it runs.

bigghoss · January 4, 2011, 04:09 PM

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Where did I use the word copy?

Yes, it's based on the Neostead. It is not a copy of the Neostead, obviously.

you didn't but others on other boards have been. I'm just trying to point out that we don't know that they didn't start with a clean slate. did they say "lets build a shotgun. it might be neat if it was a bulpup" or was it "that neostead is neat lets do something like that."? for all we know they had the idea to make a bulpup shotgun with dual feed tubes without ever studying the neostead.

oneounceload · January 4, 2011, 04:16 PM

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you didn't but others on other boards have been. I'm just trying to point out that we don't know that they didn't start with a clean slate. did they say "lets build a shotgun. it might be neat if it was a bulpup" or was it "that neostead is neat lets do something like that."? for all we know they had the idea to make a bulpup shotgun with dual feed tubes without ever studying the neostead.

Bit of a reach there, don't ya think?

You're saying they in no way looked at the Neostad, decided on some changes and produced this? Really???.......

Just how many bullpup, twin mag shotguns that look like the Neostad are there in the world today?

And so what if they did.........their marketing folks have obviously felt there will be a demand for these, and since the original is not available, by making the changes they did, they avoid any copyright/patent lawsuits and will produce something the market will demand...........good for them

UniversalFrost · January 4, 2011, 04:25 PM

the actual pistolgrip frame on it is from the Sub-2k lineup they have, so it looks like they are just frankensteining this thing together from several different guns.

I like it!

January 3, 2011, 01:55 PM	#1
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January 3, 2011, 07:44 PM	#6
bigghoss Senior Member Join Date: September 15, 2006 Location: Pueblo, Colorado Posts: 2,664	just because it's a bullpup with two mag tubes doesn't mean it's based off the neostead. the mag tubes on the neostead are over the barrel and the pump mechanism is reverse of the kel-tec and most shotguns. __________________ I don't collect guns, I accumulate them.

January 3, 2011, 11:11 PM	#7
Onward Allusion Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2009 Location: Back in a Non-Free State Posts: 3,133	I want one! That and the PMR-30. Just for the tacticool factor. Doesn't matter if it shoots! __________________ Simple as ABC . . . Always Be Carrying

January 4, 2011, 12:56 AM	#8
scorpion_tyr Senior Member Join Date: November 10, 2008 Location: East Texas Posts: 1,326	If that thing is real I'll probably be selling all of my Kel-Tecs... but I'll at least hold one first... __________________ “Nature intended me for the tranquil pursuits of science, by rendering them my supreme delight.” - Thomas Jefferson

January 3, 2011, 02:07 PM	#2
Technosavant Senior Member Join Date: May 29, 2007 Location: St. Louis, MO area Posts: 4,040	Weird. I'm eager to see how it actually does. I can't figure out if it's a breakthrough in the self defense shotgun world, or if it's an unholy abomination. The ability to have both slugs and shot loaded and switching between them at the flick of a switch is impressive.

January 3, 2011, 03:31 PM	#3
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	It's the US-made version of this: http://homemadedefense.blogspot.com/...dual-tube.html whose importation was disallowed to the non-sporting nature of the gun

January 3, 2011, 07:19 PM	#4
nefprotector Junior member Join Date: December 3, 2009 Location: SE Alabama Posts: 701	Very interesting.

January 4, 2011, 01:13 AM	#9
ausher Member Join Date: April 20, 2010 Location: NEIA Posts: 98	im defiantly gonna get one when it comes available and if i got the $$$. that be badass with a .50ae desert eagle mounted to the lower accessory rail instead of a front mounted grip __________________ I'll keep my guns, ammo and money. you can keep the change!

January 4, 2011, 02:21 AM	#10
Falcon642 Senior Member Join Date: October 29, 2010 Posts: 316	One of the knocks on using a shotgun for home defense is that shotguns are too long to be maneuvered through doorways. This Kel Tec has me intrigued because the distance from my shoulder to the tip of the barrel wouldn't be much longer than the distance from my shoulder to the tip of the barrel of my pistol when I am in a shooting stance. The short length of this Kel Tec seems to make it an ideal home defense shotgun to me. I could use it, and my 5'7 wife could use it alot easier than my Ithaca 37.

January 4, 2011, 02:31 AM	#11
PTK Senior Member Join Date: March 20, 2008 Posts: 442	Just when I thought the muzzle blast on the PMR and RFB were bad... that may be an 18" barrel, but it's close to your head. Real close.

January 4, 2011, 02:42 AM	#12
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,985	Got one on order...... Picked up my PMR 30 today! __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

January 4, 2011, 08:36 AM	#13
maierar Member Join Date: March 9, 2010 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 33	I'm hoping it comes with screw-in chokes for sporting clays.

January 4, 2011, 01:51 PM	#14
nefprotector Junior member Join Date: December 3, 2009 Location: SE Alabama Posts: 701	Im buying one if possible.

January 4, 2011, 02:13 PM	#15
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,390	A friend and I have been talking about these. We're thinking we're going to wait until there's at least some track record of how they work, but I am VERY interested in possibly picking one up. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

January 4, 2011, 02:36 PM	#16
essohbe Junior member Join Date: March 22, 2009 Location: U.S.A. Posts: 817	^ what he said. Please, post feedback if anyone here ends up with one of these!

January 4, 2011, 03:03 PM	#18
UniversalFrost Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,300	if they incorporated a recoil reducing system into it (like the knoxx comp stock) that would be a done deal for me. __________________ Lifetime member VFW and NRA "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (when all else fails play dead) -Red Green

January 4, 2011, 03:27 PM	#20
smee78 Senior Member Join Date: July 14, 2008 Location: South Carolina Posts: 2,918	I like it, can't wait for a range report. __________________ We know exactly where one cow with Mad-cow-disease is located, among the millions and millions of cows in America, but we haven't got a clue where thousands of illegal immigrants and terrorists are

January 4, 2011, 04:01 PM	#22
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Oh, no! Now in every What should I buy for the wife/gf thread - someone will mention this! Sorry Pax! Looks like it could be fun - if it runs. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

January 4, 2011, 04:25 PM	#25
UniversalFrost Senior Member Join Date: February 20, 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,300	the actual pistolgrip frame on it is from the Sub-2k lineup they have, so it looks like they are just frankensteining this thing together from several different guns. I like it! __________________ Lifetime member VFW and NRA "Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (when all else fails play dead) -Red Green