March 20, 2007, 05:13 PM | #1 |
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AOW or SBS?
Just a quick question here. What exactly makes a shotgun an AOW and not an SBS or vice versa? All I know is one is a $5 tax and the other is a $200. Is there a real answer or is it just a way for the BATF to get extra money?
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March 20, 2007, 05:19 PM | #2 |
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AOW = forward grip added on weapon with 16" or less barrel
SBR/SBS = Stock added (and you could even add a grip if you wanted) on weapon with 16" or less barrel Hope that helps |
March 20, 2007, 05:22 PM | #3 |
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So basiclly an AOW is a non-shoulder fired weapon and an SBS is shoulder fired?
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March 20, 2007, 06:50 PM | #4 |
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An AOW is a weapon that started life without a stock attached. If it started life as a shotgun with stock attached, it can only be a SBS.
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March 20, 2007, 07:27 PM | #5 |
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Aw ok makes sense now. Thanks. Crazy NFA laws. Seems like you need a lawyer just to understand them.
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"The definition of an AOW includes "weapons with combination rifleSo under this rule, you can take a legally defined shotgun and convert it to a shoulder fired AOW if the critical specifications are met.
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May 16, 2007, 07:25 PM | #7 |
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Sbs?
I guess you could technically consider an AOW by the above rule, although I dont know of any shoulder fired AOW's... Typically you only find stockless items as AOW's. I know that if a C2 SOT puts a stock on an AOW, it must be "re-manufactured" into a SBS. Same goes with SBR's. To do otherwise is suicide to your freedom (the BATF&E will eat your lunch if you didn't).
Pen-guns/knife-guns Shotguns that began life as a pistol-grip Pistols that have a forward grip Holsters that are designed to fire the weapon as well as hold it. (the pocket-holster for the Beretta 21a). ANYTHING that does not fall under the categories of SMG, SBS, SBR, or Suppressor, but isn't a Title 1 weapon either. |
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CFR which clearly, and safely allows for a shoulder stocked AOW if the critical specifications are met. I agree to your reference of "typically...." There isn't a demand for these items, therefore there isn't a need to manuf these in numbers. I can only recall where USAF fueled the demand for these couple of decades back, though the number couldn't be that high. More of a specialty and novelty item. Quote:
say that. But that doesn't necessarily mean that it's 'suicide to your freedom' to stock an AOW. Familiarize yourself with 26 USC Sec. 5845. As with any legal point, it is your responsibility to understand what is and isn't allowed. I'm at work and not able to spend the brain power conjuring up examples but easy recall will submit.....Game Getter is allowed by such a law. Also the M6 Scout, if simply cut back < 18" qualifies....which, even to this day, is granted manufacturing under C2 privileges, or individual Form 1. Quote:
to be deemed AOW. As long as they are not shoulder stocked, that suffices. re pistols - it's not a forward grip, per se, rather a forward vertical grip, ie it must have been clearly designed to function using two handed operation. As such, it is no longer a pistol....nor a rifle by legal definition. Then, going through the CFR list of defininitions, if it fails to meet all of the qualifications (add destructive devices to your above list), the firearm thus falls under the safety net, catch all category of Any Other Weapon. AOW also covers firearms which do not appear to resemble the traditional definition of the above classes of firearms and will include novelty/gadget...cell phone guns, cane guns, etc. note also that the most recent Stinger Pen Gun, was Title 1 so depending on its configuration, not all pen guns are AOWs.
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