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[TruthTellers]

Didn't take long for the Judge bashing to begin. I wonder why I don't see the same sort of bashing on the Governor, which I assume has the same accuracy with .45 as the Judge does? Must be the logo on the side that gives it Hunter Biden like immunity from prosecution...

The accuracy you can expect from the Judge is roughly 2 inches at 10 yards with the best shooting ammo. I don't bother with hollow points in the Judge, I don't think any are fast enough to get expansion outside of that Lehigh Defense stuff that is like $3/rd and expands to an inch and a half. I've wanted to try Inceptor .45 Colt ammo, but can't find it and the bullets are tough to get too. I assume it works just as well as all their other calibers, but they never did reply to me when I asked them about using that ammo in a .410/.45 revolver.

An unfortunately common theme with the industry: putting in no effort to respond to customer inquiries.

I've done a lot of accuracy testing with my Public Defender with handloads, tried full wadcutters, hollow base bullets, different weights... the best results I got were with 250gr Berry's in, I believe, .45 Schofield with 700x and the result was under 1.5 inches at 10 yards, but the velocity is about 600 fps.

The lack of a rear sight doesn't help things, I've never been a fan of groove rear sights.

I concluded that with the Judge you'll never get great accuracy, you can get decent accuracy with the best ammo and I don't think .45 Colt is the best ammo to use in the Judge, the .45 Schofield may lack something in power, but it's not much and it makes up for it in accuracy.

[44 AMP]

the .45 Schofield may lack something in power, but it's not much and it makes up for it in accuracy.

In the gun you used, and with the ammo you used, you got good results shooting .45 Schofield, but I don't see that as any kind of ringing endorsement of the round overall. The next guy with the next gun and next box of Schofield ammo might get exactly the opposite results you did.

the Schofield is shorter than the .45 Colt, so, if the accuracy problem is due to long bullet jump, I don't see a shorter round solving that.

However since the Schofield is usually loaded with different bullet than the Colt, (a 230gr vs 250gr) the Schofield being more accurate, in your gun MIGHT just be your gun's barrel shooting one bullet better than another.

[TruthTellers]

Originally Posted by 44 AMP

In the gun you used, and with the ammo you used, you got good results shooting .45 Schofield, but I don't see that as any kind of ringing endorsement of the round overall. The next guy with the next gun and next box of Schofield ammo might get exactly the opposite results you did.

the Schofield is shorter than the .45 Colt, so, if the accuracy problem is due to long bullet jump, I don't see a shorter round solving that.

However since the Schofield is usually loaded with different bullet than the Colt, (a 230gr vs 250gr) the Schofield being more accurate, in your gun MIGHT just be your gun's barrel shooting one bullet better than another.

Every bullet I tried in the Colt in my Judge I also tried in the Schofield, it was the 250gr bullet that shot best in both with the Schofield slightly better than Colt. I did get good results with 200gr bullets in the Schofield, not as accurate on paper, but easy to shoot on steel.

The bullet jump being as long as it is in the Judge the shorter Schofield case has no affect.

I have shot my Schofield reloads in several .45 revolvers I own and I have found the Schofield to be more accurate than .45 Colt in all of them. I attribute this the powder charge burning more efficiently and repeatably due to decreased case volume and less air in the case. To achieve the same level of powder/air ratio in the case in .45 Colt I'd have to load more powder, which increases the pressure, which means I can't shoot it in weaker revolvers.

So, my non Ruger .45's get the Schofield and the .45 Colt gets loaded with above standard pressure loads, makes it easy to identify which ammo is hot and which is not.

I encourage all who reload who have .45 Colt chambered revolvers to try .45 Schofield. Factory ammo there's no control over and the price and availability of it is just terrible.

[44 AMP]

I attribute this the powder charge burning more efficiently and repeatably due to decreased case volume and less air in the case. To achieve the same level of powder/air ratio in the case in .45 Colt I'd have to load more powder, which increases the pressure, which means I can't shoot it in weaker revolvers.

Changing the air space in the case is possible without increasing the pressure. Simply use a different powder.

What "weaker revolvers"?? Meaning, weaker, compared to what??

The weakest .45 revolvers I can think of are the top breaks, and there are very few of those in .45 Colt. I did have personal experience with one of those, made by Armi San Marcos. Beautifully finished, functionally, a piece of CRAP that wouldn't work properly with factory loads. Don't get one of those! (for anything other than a wall hanger!!!)

[TruthTellers]

Originally Posted by 44 AMP

Changing the air space in the case is possible without increasing the pressure. Simply use a different powder.

What "weaker revolvers"?? Meaning, weaker, compared to what??

The weakest .45 revolvers I can think of are the top breaks, and there are very few of those in .45 Colt. I did have personal experience with one of those, made by Armi San Marcos. Beautifully finished, functionally, a piece of CRAP that wouldn't work properly with factory loads. Don't get one of those! (for anything other than a wall hanger!!!)

Other powders that I don't have can't be used and I have powders I like a lot in .45, such as 700x and Unique.

Weaker revolvers as in not Ruger Blackhawks, Redhawks, and BFRs that can handle 1100 fps with a 300gr projectile.