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Old November 11, 2020, 02:08 PM   #76
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I agree with intent and also agree with the idea of keeping your mouth shut . I can’t believe all these people have incriminated themselves .
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Old November 11, 2020, 02:56 PM   #77
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I remember when *a baby* could walk into any hardware store and buy a gun (assuming the baby could walk) and nobody cared if he was a felon because it didn't matter. That was 1967, and it wasn't a problem. All the current "felon in possession" and "straw purchase" problems are a manufactured problem intent on increasing process crimes rather than reducing victim crimes. It makes me sad that we've accepted that as normal. (that being said, I abide by these unconstitutional laws too because I'm not a prohibited person yet, and so far it's just easier. But it's not normal)
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Old November 12, 2020, 10:02 PM   #78
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While I believe Rittenhous shot in self defense I believe now he will plead because of the straw purchase. Too bad for him. He'll do some time.
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Old November 12, 2020, 10:57 PM   #79
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For any young people who might be willing to pay attention, it's a good example of how to ruin the rest of your life. Rittenhouse may be a convicted felon before he turns 18. If he had an interest in becoming a police officer, he can kiss that goodbye. A couple of bad decisions and his future is down the toilet.

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I'm sure when he bought the rifle it never occurred to him that he might get caught for making a straw purchase. Maybe he didn't even know that it's a federal crime. And when he set out to guard that business I'm sure he never expected that by the end of the night he would have killed two people and wounded a third. Young people generally don't understand that decisions have consequences. Sometimes learning that is a very hard lesson.
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Old November 13, 2020, 12:52 AM   #80
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While I believe Rittenhous shot in self defense I believe now he will plead because of the straw purchase. Too bad for him. He'll do some time.
That's a separate issue I believe . Yes he "may" have got the gun illegally but I believe that does not mean you forfeit your right to self defense . I've read somewhere that even a convicted felon who is prohibited from owning a firearm can use one in self defense . I know it would have to be carefully argued but think he still has a shot at beating the murder charges . I do agree at this point he will do some time but IMHO if they stick with 1st degree murder I don't see a 12-0 vote for that . Then again with all this new self incrimination and dad throwing him under the bus . Maybe he said some dumb stuff to his friends and or investigators .

The saddest thing is it appears his defense team is not up for this . I heard they went to file an appeal on the extradition and were told he's already gone . It's my understanding they are way over there heads on this at best and up to no good and only in this for the money at worst for Kyle .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6frUeVjCd1U
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Old November 13, 2020, 01:07 AM   #81
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Metal god, I think you are correct. Clearly, the straw purchase is a separate issue (albeit part of the same incident) as the murder charges. As an example, we can look back to 1984 and Bernerd Goetz, the NYC "subway shooter." Goetz was convicted of a firearms charge but not on the multiple charges of attempted murder that he faced.

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Goetz was tried before a Manhattan jury of 10 whites and 2 blacks, of whom 6 had been victims of street crime. He was acquitted of the attempted murder and first-degree assault charges and convicted of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree – carrying a loaded, unlicensed weapon in a public place.
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Old November 13, 2020, 01:15 AM   #82
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I believe Black himself has told the police that he bought the gun using Kyle's money....
Yes, but .... If I understand things correctly, this would make Black a co-conspirator. I haven't dug into this issue in federal or WI law, but I believe it is pretty standard that the testimony of a co-conspirator has to be corroborated somehow. IOW, in order to successfully charge Rittenhouse, prosecutors would have to have Black's statements + something else. Bank statements, other witnesses (who are not co-conspirators), video from the gun store .... something. And you can bet dollars to doughnuts that if Rittenhouse didn't tell investigators about this early on, he ain't starting now.
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Old November 21, 2020, 01:45 PM   #83
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Looks like he was freed on bail yesterday:
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Old November 23, 2020, 01:37 PM   #84
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Yep , and to answer my earlier question. The bail was 2mil and he had to post all of it . Wisconsin is not a 10% is good enough state you must post the complete bail for release . The silver lining in that is when and if he fulfills his bail obligations . The total $2 million will be returned to him .
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Old November 23, 2020, 02:01 PM   #85
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Even if he loses he gets the money back, doesn't he?
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Old November 23, 2020, 02:16 PM   #86
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Even if he loses he gets the money back, doesn't he?
I believe so but don't know what the definition of "fulfilled obligation" is in Wisconsin in this context . There may be caveats but don't believe so . One thing I heard but again not sure , is that his defense can not ask the court for some or all of that money for payment after the case is over .

I'm interested to know if anyone can try to claim the money if he is convicted . If found guilty can the victims or there families try to get to the bail money ?

I read the My Pillow Guy and someone else helped out with funds . It may be that they set up a contract that they get there money back if it's returned . If I was giving out that kind of money , that would be something I think I'd try to set up . Do it more as a lone then a donation or gift .
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