9mm luger 9mm nato whats the difference?

aarhunt · August 17, 2009, 04:25 PM

Just wondering what the difference of the 2 are?

Jim Watson · August 17, 2009, 04:31 PM

In ordinary applications, none.

In detail, the 9mm NATO is loaded to miltary specifications suitable to our friends in Europe who are used to the USA supplying them with guns and ammunition in any protracted conflict like WW I and WW II. This makes it a somewhat hotter round than what you get under the generic 9mm Luger label on American made ammunition.

aarhunt · August 17, 2009, 04:34 PM

Ok so there is no difference in case length and diameter of the 2?

oneounceload · August 17, 2009, 04:37 PM

none at all

aarhunt · August 17, 2009, 04:45 PM

OK! Thanks a bunch!!!!!!!!!

Brian Pfleuger · August 17, 2009, 04:53 PM

Isn't the "NATO" round very close to what is typically labeled "+P"?

Crosshair · August 17, 2009, 05:00 PM

Yup, they are the same dimensionally on the outside. NATO cases tend to be a bit thicker on the inside, but the difference generally is not a problem. The NATO ammo is generally loaded to higher pressures, what would be considered +P in the US, than standard US 9mm Luger.

wncchester · August 17, 2009, 05:53 PM

Now, ask why did we adobt the 9mm for our military?

Answer; To placate Europeans, few of whom could handle the .45 ACP. They didn't need to actually, European cops and military had found that their opponents would drop and call for their mommies when nicked with the 9mm. It has been proven that Middle-eastern fanatics don't.

OldShooter · August 17, 2009, 06:17 PM

To tell you the truth, I don't find the .45acp round to be anymore difficult to handle than the 9mm. It's a big but slow moving projectile as opposed to a smaller faster projectile. And I shoot one handed. I guess I must be missing something.

Actually some Europeans have been shooting the 9mm since what 1908? And the 1911 went into service when?

Crosshair · August 17, 2009, 07:06 PM

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Now, ask why did we adobt the 9mm for our military?

Answer; To placate Europeans, few of whom could handle the .45 ACP. They didn't need to actually, European cops and military had found that their opponents would drop and call for their mommies when nicked with the 9mm. It has been proven that Middle-eastern fanatics don't.

We agreed to adapt a 9mm sidearm if they adapted rifles that used M-16 magazines. It's a mistake that both sides regret. A handgun cartridge that, when limited to ball ammo, has issues with reliably stopping BGs and a rifle magazine with the durability of a cereal box.

/Using HP ammo the 9mm gains significant terminal performance.)
//Owns plenty of 9mm weapons.

August 17, 2009, 04:25 PM	#1
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	9mm luger 9mm nato whats the difference? Just wondering what the difference of the 2 are?

August 17, 2009, 04:53 PM	#6
Brian Pfleuger Moderator Emeritus Join Date: June 25, 2008 Location: Austin, CO Posts: 19,578	Isn't the "NATO" round very close to what is typically labeled "+P"? __________________ Nobody plans to screw up their lives... ...they just don't plan not to. -Andy Stanley

August 17, 2009, 05:00 PM	#7
Crosshair Senior Member Join Date: December 16, 2004 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 5,333	Yup, they are the same dimensionally on the outside. NATO cases tend to be a bit thicker on the inside, but the difference generally is not a problem. The NATO ammo is generally loaded to higher pressures, what would be considered +P in the US, than standard US 9mm Luger. __________________ I don't carry a gun to go looking for trouble, I carry a gun in case trouble finds me.

August 17, 2009, 06:17 PM	#9
OldShooter Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 2006 Location: Maine Posts: 846	9mm (vs .45) To tell you the truth, I don't find the .45acp round to be anymore difficult to handle than the 9mm. It's a big but slow moving projectile as opposed to a smaller faster projectile. And I shoot one handed. I guess I must be missing something. Actually some Europeans have been shooting the 9mm since what 1908? And the 1911 went into service when?

August 17, 2009, 04:31 PM	#2
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	In ordinary applications, none. In detail, the 9mm NATO is loaded to miltary specifications suitable to our friends in Europe who are used to the USA supplying them with guns and ammunition in any protracted conflict like WW I and WW II. This makes it a somewhat hotter round than what you get under the generic 9mm Luger label on American made ammunition.

August 17, 2009, 04:34 PM	#3
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	Ok so there is no difference in case length and diameter of the 2?

August 17, 2009, 04:37 PM	#4
oneounceload Junior member Join Date: April 18, 2008 Location: N. Central Florida Posts: 8,518	none at all

August 17, 2009, 04:45 PM	#5
aarhunt Junior member Join Date: January 17, 2009 Location: Chippewa Lake,Ohio Posts: 104	OK! Thanks a bunch!!!!!!!!!

August 17, 2009, 05:53 PM	#8
wncchester Senior Member Join Date: December 1, 2002 Posts: 2,832	Now, ask why did we adobt the 9mm for our military? Answer; To placate Europeans, few of whom could handle the .45 ACP. They didn't need to actually, European cops and military had found that their opponents would drop and call for their mommies when nicked with the 9mm. It has been proven that Middle-eastern fanatics don't.