Any merits in Glock getting into the carbine market?

Pond, James Pond · January 17, 2019, 04:35 AM

Beretta have done it. So have CZ and even Hi Point.

I’m just curious if any feel this could be an avenue for the brand since there seem to be only so many Gen’s they can launch.

I’ve not seen this discussed before.
What do you think?

Brit · January 17, 2019, 05:15 AM

I think so, but just 9mm calibre. A pistol designation, a 14" barrel, a collapsible stock, with the 1" band around it. Same as Sig had pioneered.

Folding aperture sight. NATO mounts to take red or green dot optics, and of course, Glock magazines. Sold with two 17 round magazines.

Or if wanted, a true rifle, with a 16" barrel.

A friend of mine, in Ontario, Canada, described a match he had set up, a pistol match, but a shooter with a new acquisition, a 9mm Carbine, asked if he could use it? It was allowed, he ran away with the match, the most amazing part of it, the muted report. The FS 9mm Carbine?

Talked to Dennis today. It is an FX9 Carbine.

GamestopDorito · January 17, 2019, 08:11 AM

Would like to see a blocky bullpup carbine from Glock. Something more PS90 than CZ. Give it really basic sights but great top rail low to the bore (unlike the PS90) for an optic. There is a spot for a bullpup carbine like that in 9mm and maybe 45 next to the Scorpion in the "workmanlike but high quality" world.

TrueBlue711 · January 17, 2019, 09:37 AM

Just put a Glock in a CAA Roni or Micro-Roni chassis and bam...you got a Glock carbine

Kidding aside, I see Glock as a one-trick pony. It does that trick well, but I'm not sure if they'll branch out from it. If they do, my guess is it'll be pistol caliber only using (of course) Glock mags.

Pond, James Pond · January 17, 2019, 09:59 AM

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Kidding aside, I see Glock as a one-trick pony. It does that trick well, but I'm not sure if they'll branch out from it.

I agree, but it just feels like they are painting themselves into a corner.

Glenn E. Meyer · January 17, 2019, 10:02 AM

Ruger is selling quite a few of their carbines and taking the Glock mags was really smart marketing. Among my tight group of 10 shooting friends, 4 have bought the Ruger.

I did and they are fun to shoot. They are also useful ban state guns.

PCC competitions are also a good market place if you don't want an expensive AR type platforms.

A good one would probably sell.

About being a one trick pony - that's a business decision. Apple is under criticism for becoming one trick Iphone.

cslinger · January 17, 2019, 10:17 AM

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Give it really basic sights

I don’t think Glock will have ANY problems here.

Pond, James Pond · January 17, 2019, 10:36 AM

Out of interest, what it is the point of diminishing returns when talking barrel length in 9x19?

Brit · January 17, 2019, 11:15 AM

James, it is based on our rule, 16" minimum for a Rifle barrel. A rule that should be scrapped.

osbornk · January 17, 2019, 11:27 AM

I think Glock should stick with what they are know for and not branch out. When you hear Glock, you picture a handgun in your mind. When you hear Ruger, Smith & Wesson, etc. there are several things you that might pop up in your mind.

TBM900 · January 17, 2019, 12:25 PM

Just get a Beretta CX4 Storm

TruthTellers · January 17, 2019, 01:13 PM

A decade ago, yeah, there would have been merits to a Glock carbine, but today there are quite a few options that use Glock mags, Ruger PC carbine, Kel Tec, AR lowers etc.

Glock can go ahead and make one, but idk how it would sell.

RC20 · January 17, 2019, 02:39 PM

I think I hate glock for cheapening up the pistol market.

Pond, James Pond · January 17, 2019, 04:01 PM

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James, it is based on our rule, 16" minimum for a Rifle barrel.

I’m guessing that you’re referring to SBR legalities but ballistically speaking?
At which length does 9mm velocity max out?

DPris · January 18, 2019, 01:34 AM

People have been waiting for over 20 years for "the Glock Carbine".
Today, it's past its market appeal.

It'd sell some, but nowhere near what it would have had Glock beat the bandwagon rather than jumped on it.
Denis

**JohnKSa** · January 18, 2019, 02:29 AM

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At which length does 9mm velocity max out?

Here's some good information on the topic.

http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/9luger.html

It depends on the loading, of course, but based on the data there, it would seem that after the barrel gets up around 14" in length, there's little benefit in going longer.

FITASC · January 18, 2019, 07:54 AM

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NATO mounts to take red or green dot optics, and of course, Glock magazines. Sold with two 17 round magazines.

Make it the 33 rounders instead....

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Apple is under criticism for becoming one trick Iphone.

Priced a MAC computer lately? Even an I-pad? Phones account for most of the sales, because that's what most folks use. Glock could easily branch out; after all, guns were not his original business model

Lohman446 · January 18, 2019, 08:10 AM

Good points but you are off by 1. 1MM to be more precise

For functional 10MM pistols Glock basically rules though we can debate the merit of my opinion.

Make a functional 10MM carbine and you could not keep enough of them in stock. You already have the magazines and the 10MM Glock Magazines are still a single size magwell meaning you could make it for the 10 rounders to sit flush and use any 10MM Glock magazine out there now - no single stacks or 1.5 stacks in the wild

FITASC · January 18, 2019, 08:28 AM

Then you might as well also offer it in 45ACP

Lohman446 · January 18, 2019, 09:25 AM

You could but given the option of 10MM or .45ACP why would one opt for the inferior cartridge?

Fishbed77 · January 18, 2019, 09:33 AM

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I think I hate glock for cheapening up the pistol market.

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There are plenty of expensive new pistols out there you can buy.

stagpanther · January 18, 2019, 10:25 AM

Yes--they are not dumb and probably see the huge potential market cross-over based on their magazines. I've recently figured out a way to make my carbine so that I can change-out both small frame and large frame calibers in a mere minute or two. Just talked to a manufacturer who told me they are going to be debuting something along those lines at the shot show.

MoMan · January 18, 2019, 10:38 AM

I think it's too late for Glock to get into the PCC market. They should have done it years ago, when they could have made a statement with it. As opposed to being an "also ran"!!

stagpanther · January 18, 2019, 11:23 AM

I think there is plenty of room for improvement.

JERRYS. · January 18, 2019, 11:31 AM

I guess it has some merit for those wanting to shoot a handgun round from a long barrel. I'll stick with the AR 15.

January 17, 2019, 04:35 AM	#1
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Any merits in Glock getting into the carbine market? Beretta have done it. So have CZ and even Hi Point. I’m just curious if any feel this could be an avenue for the brand since there seem to be only so many Gen’s they can launch. I’ve not seen this discussed before. What do you think? __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

January 17, 2019, 05:15 AM	#2
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	I think so, but just 9mm calibre. A pistol designation, a 14" barrel, a collapsible stock, with the 1" band around it. Same as Sig had pioneered. Folding aperture sight. NATO mounts to take red or green dot optics, and of course, Glock magazines. Sold with two 17 round magazines. Or if wanted, a true rifle, with a 16" barrel. A friend of mine, in Ontario, Canada, described a match he had set up, a pistol match, but a shooter with a new acquisition, a 9mm Carbine, asked if he could use it? It was allowed, he ran away with the match, the most amazing part of it, the muted report. The FS 9mm Carbine? Talked to Dennis today. It is an FX9 Carbine. Last edited by Brit; January 17, 2019 at 11:11 AM.

January 17, 2019, 10:02 AM	#6
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	Ruger is selling quite a few of their carbines and taking the Glock mags was really smart marketing. Among my tight group of 10 shooting friends, 4 have bought the Ruger. I did and they are fun to shoot. They are also useful ban state guns. PCC competitions are also a good market place if you don't want an expensive AR type platforms. A good one would probably sell. About being a one trick pony - that's a business decision. Apple is under criticism for becoming one trick Iphone. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

January 17, 2019, 10:36 AM	#8
Pond, James Pond Senior Member Join Date: July 12, 2011 Location: Top of the Baltic stack Posts: 6,079	Out of interest, what it is the point of diminishing returns when talking barrel length in 9x19? __________________ When the right to effective self-defence is denied, that right to self-defence which remains is essentially symbolic. Freedom: Please enjoy responsibly.

January 17, 2019, 01:13 PM	#12
TruthTellers Senior Member Join Date: October 22, 2016 Posts: 3,887	A decade ago, yeah, there would have been merits to a Glock carbine, but today there are quite a few options that use Glock mags, Ruger PC carbine, Kel Tec, AR lowers etc. Glock can go ahead and make one, but idk how it would sell. __________________ "We always think there's gonna be more time... then it runs out."

January 17, 2019, 08:11 AM	#3
GamestopDorito Member Join Date: July 19, 2018 Location: USA Posts: 50	Would like to see a blocky bullpup carbine from Glock. Something more PS90 than CZ. Give it really basic sights but great top rail low to the bore (unlike the PS90) for an optic. There is a spot for a bullpup carbine like that in 9mm and maybe 45 next to the Scorpion in the "workmanlike but high quality" world.

January 17, 2019, 09:37 AM	#4
TrueBlue711 Senior Member Join Date: March 16, 2011 Posts: 489	Just put a Glock in a CAA Roni or Micro-Roni chassis and bam...you got a Glock carbine Kidding aside, I see Glock as a one-trick pony. It does that trick well, but I'm not sure if they'll branch out from it. If they do, my guess is it'll be pistol caliber only using (of course) Glock mags.

January 17, 2019, 11:15 AM	#9
Brit Senior Member Join Date: January 29, 2005 Location: Orlando FL Posts: 1,934	James, it is based on our rule, 16" minimum for a Rifle barrel. A rule that should be scrapped.

January 17, 2019, 11:27 AM	#10
osbornk Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2012 Location: Mountains of Appalachia Posts: 1,598	I think Glock should stick with what they are know for and not branch out. When you hear Glock, you picture a handgun in your mind. When you hear Ruger, Smith & Wesson, etc. there are several things you that might pop up in your mind.

January 17, 2019, 12:25 PM	#11
TBM900 Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2015 Posts: 777	Just get a Beretta CX4 Storm

January 17, 2019, 02:39 PM	#13
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,014	I think I hate glock for cheapening up the pistol market. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

January 18, 2019, 01:34 AM	#15
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	People have been waiting for over 20 years for "the Glock Carbine". Today, it's past its market appeal. It'd sell some, but nowhere near what it would have had Glock beat the bandwagon rather than jumped on it. Denis

January 18, 2019, 08:10 AM	#18
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	Good points but you are off by 1. 1MM to be more precise For functional 10MM pistols Glock basically rules though we can debate the merit of my opinion. Make a functional 10MM carbine and you could not keep enough of them in stock. You already have the magazines and the 10MM Glock Magazines are still a single size magwell meaning you could make it for the 10 rounders to sit flush and use any 10MM Glock magazine out there now - no single stacks or 1.5 stacks in the wild Last edited by Lohman446; January 18, 2019 at 09:25 AM.

January 18, 2019, 08:28 AM	#19
FITASC Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2014 Posts: 6,446	Then you might as well also offer it in 45ACP __________________ "I believe that people have a right to decide their own destinies; people own themselves. I also believe that, in a democracy, government exists because (and only so long as) individual citizens give it a 'temporary license to exist'—in exchange for a promise that it will behave itself. In a democracy, you own the government—it doesn't own you."- Frank Zappa

January 18, 2019, 09:25 AM	#20
Lohman446 Senior Member Join Date: April 22, 2016 Posts: 2,192	You could but given the option of 10MM or .45ACP why would one opt for the inferior cartridge?

January 18, 2019, 10:25 AM	#22
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,784	Yes--they are not dumb and probably see the huge potential market cross-over based on their magazines. I've recently figured out a way to make my carbine so that I can change-out both small frame and large frame calibers in a mere minute or two. Just talked to a manufacturer who told me they are going to be debuting something along those lines at the shot show. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

January 18, 2019, 10:38 AM	#23
MoMan Member Join Date: June 25, 2016 Location: Western Kentucky Posts: 30	I think it's too late for Glock to get into the PCC market. They should have done it years ago, when they could have made a statement with it. As opposed to being an "also ran"!! __________________ MO Member: NRA/Kentucky Regulators Gun Club/LaSalle Sportsmen's Club

January 18, 2019, 11:23 AM	#24
stagpanther Senior Member Join Date: March 2, 2014 Posts: 11,784	I think there is plenty of room for improvement. __________________ "Everyone speaks gun."--Robert O'Neill *I am NOT an expert--I do not have any formal experience or certification in firearms use or testing; use any information I post at your own risk!*

January 18, 2019, 11:31 AM	#25
JERRYS. Senior Member Join Date: September 23, 2013 Location: Alabama Posts: 2,968	I guess it has some merit for those wanting to shoot a handgun round from a long barrel. I'll stick with the AR 15.