Help Identifying Rifle

ninosdemente · April 22, 2018, 06:14 PM

Pahoo · April 22, 2018, 06:26 PM

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I'm being offered this rifle for $175. The rifle doesn't have no info in it.

At this point, it really isn't that important. If the bore and general condition, is as good as it looks, jump on it. Offer him $160.00 which ,ight make you feel better. ......

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The rifle doesn't have no info in it.

Keep looking, it's there !!! .....

Be Safe !!!

Jim Watson · April 22, 2018, 06:31 PM

Uh all the pictures are the same.
Got anything showing the action?

tobnpr · April 22, 2018, 06:32 PM

All your pics are identical...
But from what can be seen looks like a Spanish Model 1916 Short Rifle.

Nodak1858 · April 22, 2018, 07:25 PM

+1 on the Spanish 1916, one thing to look at if it's still in 7mm or been converted to 7.62. I picked up one from Samco that had been converted right before they went out of business. I checked the head space and it was WAY past a field gauge. But I picked up a 45ACP barrel from Rhineland Arms and it makes a neat little shooter.

ninosdemente · April 22, 2018, 07:46 PM

Do these help?

http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/9.jpg

http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/10.jpg

http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/11.jpg

http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/12.jpg

ninosdemente · April 22, 2018, 07:51 PM

I fixed the links from above. The links were pointing to the same picture. Apologize for my mistake.

10-96 · April 23, 2018, 12:49 AM

Huh, I wonder who would've scrubbed the receiver? Usually there's a crest up there noting the country of origin and possibly other useful information.

FrankenMauser · April 23, 2018, 01:52 PM

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Huh, I wonder who would've scrubbed the receiver? Usually there's a crest up there noting the country of origin and possibly other useful information.

1893s converted to the 1916 pattern were often scrubbed.
I have two like that.

Paul B. · April 23, 2018, 02:42 PM

The best way to tell if it an M93 or M95 is look at the bolt face. The M93 and 1916 which is based on the M93 will have a flat bottom on the bolt face. The M95 is round.
Paul B.

Scorch · April 23, 2018, 05:12 PM

It.s a 93, it doesn't have the safety notch at the bolt handle. $175 sounds OK as long as it still has any rifling left in it. Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $150 for and Spanish 93 rifle. Spend the money on something else unless you just gotta have it.

FrankenMauser · April 24, 2018, 12:23 AM

Based on what I see, I'd be at $100.

It may be fun to shoot. But there's always the question of safety.
The Spanish Mausers - of any variety - were always questionable, and can't stand up to much more than 19th century ammunition standards (if that...).

Buy it as a decoration.
If it's marked for .308 or "7.62", just hang it on the wall. That marking is for .308 CETME. (A subject unto itself.)

If it's unmarked, chambered for 7mm Mauser/7x57mm, and you want to shoot it, have a qualified gunsmith check it out; and then never push it beyond standard pressure ammunition.

ninosdemente · April 24, 2018, 10:14 AM

Well would have liked it to shoot it but if not able to, not a big deal. Would like to still have it and hang it but still would like to have a gunsmith take a look at it. Just have to find one near me.

A friend on mine also mentioned about probably not firing the rifle being an old one.

Out of curiosity, how popular are these as far as for shooting or just to have? The price being what it is can only have me suggest not a popular item or because of the condition it currently has. Thanks again guys for the help.

Scorch · April 26, 2018, 07:02 PM

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how popular are these as far as for shooting or just to have?

They were brought in by the boatload back in the 1960s and sold for $25-$50 in good condition. I bought one for $60 back in 1977, and it was absolutely pristine. There was also a lot of military ammo brought in at the same time, almost universally corrosive. 50 years later, most of them have been "sporterized" by cutting off the end of the military stock (sometimes well done) and most of them are pretty beat up and worn out. Over the past 30 years or so, the 7.62 conversions have been sold by various retailers, but I would consider them marginally safe with commercial ammo. They were never a great rifle to begin with, and being abused for 50 years is never good. We are reaching the proverbial "bottom of the barrel" as they are selling them online for $150 in just about worn out to almost scrap condition.

April 22, 2018, 06:14 PM	#1
ninosdemente Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2017 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 831	Help Identifying Rifle The seller says that it's a Spanish Mauser 7mm which if not mistaking uses 7mm Mauser. I'm being offered this rifle for $175. The rifle doesn't have no info in it. http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/1.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/2.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/3.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/4.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/5.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/6.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/7.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/8.jpg Perhaps someone can help me identify this rifle if possible. Hopefully this is the correct place to post this thread. Thanks. Last edited by ninosdemente; April 22, 2018 at 07:50 PM. Reason: Links fixed

April 22, 2018, 06:32 PM	#4
tobnpr Senior Member Join Date: August 1, 2010 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 4,556	All your pics are identical... But from what can be seen looks like a Spanish Model 1916 Short Rifle. __________________ Remington 700/Savage Rebarreling /Action Blueprinting 07 FFL /Mosin-Nagant Custom Shop/Bent Bolts Genuine Cerakote Applicator www.biggorillagunworks.com

April 22, 2018, 07:25 PM	#5
Nodak1858 Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2009 Location: N. Dakota Posts: 435	+1 on the Spanish 1916, one thing to look at if it's still in 7mm or been converted to 7.62. I picked up one from Samco that had been converted right before they went out of business. I checked the head space and it was WAY past a field gauge. But I picked up a 45ACP barrel from Rhineland Arms and it makes a neat little shooter. __________________ We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

April 22, 2018, 07:46 PM	#6
ninosdemente Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2017 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 831	Do these help? http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/9.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/10.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/11.jpg http://www.mentegraphics.com/pictures/12.jpg Last edited by ninosdemente; April 22, 2018 at 07:49 PM. Reason: Links fixed

April 23, 2018, 12:49 AM	#8
10-96 Senior Member Join Date: October 19, 2005 Location: Tx Panhandle Territory Posts: 4,159	Huh, I wonder who would've scrubbed the receiver? Usually there's a crest up there noting the country of origin and possibly other useful information. __________________ Rednecks... Keeping the woods critter-free since March 2, 1836. (TX Independence Day) I suspect a thing or two... because I've seen a thing or two.

April 22, 2018, 06:31 PM	#3
Jim Watson Senior Member Join Date: October 25, 2001 Location: Alabama Posts: 18,535	Uh all the pictures are the same. Got anything showing the action?

April 22, 2018, 07:51 PM	#7
ninosdemente Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2017 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 831	I fixed the links from above. The links were pointing to the same picture. Apologize for my mistake.

April 23, 2018, 02:42 PM	#10
Paul B. Senior Member Join Date: March 28, 1999 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 3,801	The best way to tell if it an M93 or M95 is look at the bolt face. The M93 and 1916 which is based on the M93 will have a flat bottom on the bolt face. The M95 is round. Paul B. __________________ COMPROMISE IS NOT AN OPTION!

April 23, 2018, 05:12 PM	#11
Scorch Senior Member Join Date: February 13, 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 15,248	It.s a 93, it doesn't have the safety notch at the bolt handle. $175 sounds OK as long as it still has any rifling left in it. Personally, I wouldn't pay more than $150 for and Spanish 93 rifle. Spend the money on something else unless you just gotta have it. __________________ Never try to educate someone who resists knowledge at all costs. But what do I know? Summit Arms Services

April 24, 2018, 12:23 AM	#12
FrankenMauser Senior Member Join Date: August 25, 2008 Location: In the valley above the plain Posts: 13,424	Based on what I see, I'd be at $100. It may be fun to shoot. But there's always the question of safety. The Spanish Mausers - of any variety - were always questionable, and can't stand up to much more than 19th century ammunition standards (if that...). Buy it as a decoration. If it's marked for .308 or "7.62", just hang it on the wall. That marking is for .308 CETME. (A subject unto itself.) If it's unmarked, chambered for 7mm Mauser/7x57mm, and you want to shoot it, have a qualified gunsmith check it out; and then never push it beyond standard pressure ammunition. __________________ Don't even try it. It's even worse than the internet would lead you to believe. Last edited by FrankenMauser; April 24, 2018 at 01:51 PM. Reason: Clarity with chambering

April 24, 2018, 10:14 AM	#13
ninosdemente Senior Member Join Date: March 23, 2017 Location: Northwest Indiana Posts: 831	Well would have liked it to shoot it but if not able to, not a big deal. Would like to still have it and hang it but still would like to have a gunsmith take a look at it. Just have to find one near me. A friend on mine also mentioned about probably not firing the rifle being an old one. Out of curiosity, how popular are these as far as for shooting or just to have? The price being what it is can only have me suggest not a popular item or because of the condition it currently has. Thanks again guys for the help.