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March 2, 2009, 06:20 PM | #1 |
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'Close Call With A Lion' Vid link
If you haven't seen it already, there's a lion hunt video up on LiveLeak.com, here: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fc_1235989196
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March 2, 2009, 10:14 PM | #2 |
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holy sh**!!! that would do it for me! thats amazing.. scary as hell but amazing!
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March 2, 2009, 10:27 PM | #3 |
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ok so that sparked me too search some more of that on youtube.. check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CNgwZgoKFc
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March 2, 2009, 10:50 PM | #4 |
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O.K.- So, does anyone not understand why "Stopping Power" is important?
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March 2, 2009, 11:05 PM | #5 |
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I understand why lion hunting isn't on my schedule. If it was I would be looking at something in a .35 or larger after that last one!
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March 3, 2009, 06:24 AM | #6 |
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Looks like adrenaline charged FUN!!
I'd love to hunt african lion. Daryl |
March 3, 2009, 06:48 AM | #7 |
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Um um lion hunting is not of me! That thing was motoring that guy was toast if they didn’t put that lion down,
That’s why you make your first shot count and never ever shoot at dangerous game unless your 100% on the shot, lions are tuff animals and wounded they are unpredictable at best. |
March 3, 2009, 07:53 AM | #8 |
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That's a great clip.
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March 3, 2009, 09:56 AM | #9 |
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the ph is johan calitz
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March 3, 2009, 10:01 AM | #10 |
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Can you say...."Depends"!
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March 3, 2009, 10:53 AM | #11 | |
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With something like that, you need to be sure everyone there knows exactly what they're doing, and won't panic. Even so, I'd still take the challenge, given the chance. Daryl |
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March 3, 2009, 01:24 PM | #12 |
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Second clip is a canned hunt, in an enclosure, and really makes me angry. Pretty much a pet lion.
As for the first one, yes, that guy is VERY lucky. He must have hit CNS for the cat to stop that quick. A real eye opener is watching Mark Sullivan shoot lions with his .577 or .600 Nitro Express. They take hits from that, and keep moving. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZCCb...eature=related The other thing to remember is these were males that charged. Bit unusual. The really scary part is when you get hunted by the girls....Then your dinner... Been said that velocity in the 2400 fps range, with a 400 grain bullet, softpoint, is ideal lion medicine. Don't know about that, but, the cats in Sullivians video seem to move around a bit after being shot. Keep in mind that big double is either 650 grains to 900 grains, moving around 1900 fps. Last edited by Socrates; March 3, 2009 at 01:35 PM. |
March 3, 2009, 08:12 PM | #13 |
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Yeah I think panic is the key word here im not sure what rifles they were using,
It looked like one guy that shot the lion had a double barrel nitro jobbie ? and it look like he missed with this first shot, lucky for the guy he got off a good second one and stone the cat. |
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From
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March 3, 2009, 08:35 PM | #15 |
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I'm kinda sad that the lion lost....at least he almost got a piece of one of those knuckleheads.
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March 3, 2009, 08:45 PM | #16 |
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Hm, maybe that's why you don't CHASE a wounded lion? I mean, Hello?, follow maybe, RUN AFTER? NOOOO!?!!?!!
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March 3, 2009, 10:14 PM | #17 |
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Yep. I'm not a great fan of Mark Sullivan. Leopard and lions shot weren't exactly attacking anyone, and, I think their skins look much better on the cats then anyone else...
That said, they may not be around much longer, and, having a trophy of what used to walk the earth might be kind of cool... TO ALL FOLKS PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THE POST ABOUT BUFFALO HUNTING IN THE QUOTE I POSTED BELOW. IT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST PIECES EVER WRITTEN ABOUT HUNTING BIG GAME, IN A VERY SHORT FORMAT. |
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March 5, 2009, 02:26 PM | #20 |
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espn: johan calitz / tony makris
hey tony i hope i spelled your surname right. i see that some of the guys here think that Johan and his fellow hunters panicked. or that they were fools to pursue the wounded lion.
gentleman seriously, look at the video again you will see at least two very important things. 1) the willingness of the ph's to put their live on the line to bring to an end the misery of a wounded lion. we as laptop hunters can debate this but to these men to kill a wounded animal is a code they live by. 2) if you think they panicked it does not explain why they ran after the dangerous animal. but if you check the vid again you will see that as soon as the lion makes its intentions clear you will see the the ph's in the charging animal position ie going down on one knee and therefore giving up the choice to flee and thus excepting the lions challenge. i say again the snr ph in this vid is Johan Calitz, a man that is prominently featured in ESPN's Under wild skies. is this the correct way to hunt a lion? no. but this is the kind of guys you want with you when you( the client) messed up the first shot. anyway Tony i just thought that you can vouch for Johan's valor
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That hunter made an AMAZING shot. Wonder what caliber the rifle was?
I've watched a lot of video of people hunting lions, and, it appears the target area for a CNS hit is very small, and, they are just flat hard to kill with one shot. Lt. Dan: any idea to the caliber rifle used? Had to be a spine or brain shot, wouldn't you think? |
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I did not mean to imply that they panicked. In fact, it appears to me that all involved did exactly what needed done. My statement above was made only because I've hunted with some danged fools that I WOULD NOT want behind me in that scenario. If they were, I'd be more afraid of them than the cat. And worrying about the guy(s) behind you could cause some problems when you need to focus on what's in front of you to stay alive. So, if it was meant for me, then re-read my post and you should understand my meaning a little better. Daryl |
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March 5, 2009, 10:17 PM | #23 |
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Personally,I would never want to walk into a forest like that to find anything that ready to kill me.
That said,they responded to the situation prefectly and the lion died with the second shot immediately. Everyone that wants to go to Alaska and hug a Grizzly bear should watch this. Four guys with rifles almost became dinner had they not been well trained and well ready for the charge they knew might come. And the irony here is that,the money spent on that lion hunt might be the reason that lion was able to be alive at all. As long as their is a commercial reason for those people to not kill the lions outright,they will have an incentive to keep them and their habitat safe. Do I like it? No,but I fully understand it. |
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March 6, 2009, 09:11 AM | #25 |
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daryl, no worries mate and if i offended you it was unintentional.
socrates, i dont know what caliber Johan uses here. i have limited exposure to his set-up. however this is the first time i saw him with what looks like a double. Johan has a website maybe we should ask him for some more info on the rifle and the whole story. he advertises in a local hunting mag will try to find the web adress
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