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May 7, 2008, 07:17 AM | #1 |
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The longest shot you can make with a slug and bead sight?
What the longest shot you can make using a smooth bore shotgun, slugs and a bead site?
I have heard some people say they can do 150 yards. Is this realistic? I was guessing 100 yards maximum with only a bead site. I was thinking any longer than that and you would be using kentrucky windage and elevation. For me I am guessing my max would be 75 yards. I have never tried to max it out but this is my guess.
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May 7, 2008, 08:23 AM | #2 |
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I can put 3 slugs into a pie plate at 75 yds from a decent rest. I won't try anything longer than that.
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May 7, 2008, 10:21 PM | #3 |
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Doyle's shooting is exceptional. Most SG shooters using only bead sights would do very well to keep 3-4 shots on a pie plate at 35-40 yds. There are many and varied tests of this, searchable on the Net, that make it pretty clear that even with rifle sights most slugs are not likely to reliably group less than 3" at 50 yds, on average. Hundred yard shots require a very consistent gun and rifle sights, red dots or scopes.
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May 7, 2008, 10:59 PM | #4 |
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I am not a fan of any shotgun shots longer than 100 yards. Just me.
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For many years around here we have had no choice but to use slugs for deer hunting. The problem with a bead and no real rear sight is that you have to guesstimate if you are centered and have the right elevation. Many deer have been taken with just a bead but at ranges much past 50 yards or so it is mostly luck. I have had a couple of Ithaca Deerslayers with a rear sight and front sight and I would never have tried to hit a deer much past 100 yards at most, the very most. Yes the slug will kill far beyond 100 yards but your chances of "placing" the shot where you want it drops off fast after 75 yards. Very few shotguns will shoot like a rifle. Even though many claim theirs do. Of course we also have those Nimrods that consistantly knock deer down at 200 yards with their beaded Mossbergs too.
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May 8, 2008, 07:46 AM | #6 |
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RUGER4570 said it all. I feel the same and hunt in a state where its shotgun only and have been shooting slugs for around 30 years. Its a "Wing It" shot past 75 yards and not ethical and the chances of hitting where you aim drastically drop off after 50yds with a bead site. Yes there are a few that can shoot furthur and hit what they aim at but its very few. Rifled barrels on the other hand will shoot accurately out to 200 yds. and beyond with practice and the right ammo. I would say if your looking to do some slug hunting then its wise to invest in a rifled barrel with good optics. They can be found fairly inexpensive and their worth every penny.
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Head shots into a pumpkin 100 yards away is easy with my ghost ring equipped HK/Benelli M1S90 off hand ...
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May 8, 2008, 08:26 AM | #8 |
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I've hit a baseball bat at 25 yds with one. Much beyond that and I want rifle sights.
With rifle sights and my IC smoothbore 870 I can keep 5 shots (Brenneke KO's) on a pie plate with a fair rest at 100 yds. That being said, I'd still limit it to 75 yds without a good rifled barrel and optics as other posters have said. I use slugs from treestands in and around dense thicket areas. Shots are typically 50 yds or less due to the thickness of the terrain and I want to keep tracking to a minimum due to the briars. |
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Lest someone think that I'm really a great shot, I've got to say that the shotgun I use for slugs does have 2 beads. I found that if I put the front bead directly on top of the center bead (looks like a figure "8" when sighting down the barrel) and I put the top of the front bead touching the bottom of the target "X", that is where the center of the group will land.
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See the side of that barn over there 40 yards away? I can't hit it with a bead sighted slug barrel and that's why my deer hunting slug gun is a NEF Bull rifled barrel break open single shot with Remington 3" Copper Solids and a 4X scope. This shotgun will bring home the venison at 150 yards if I do my job.
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I personally watched a guy from a bench use a Benelli Ghost sighted rig to shoot a 3-shot group with all holes touching at a 100yds. He didnt try to do it twice, but he dang sure did it once.
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Oh, I forgot to add that New Jersey outlawed slug hunting with a bead site a few years ago and its rifle site or scope for slugs. I think they did it for a reason, Because most people cant hit poop with them over 40-50yds. And I said most not all. I have also seen guys drive tacks at 75yds with a smoothbore but its not a common thing.
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I can put 3 rounds in 3 inches at 100yards with only a bead off a bench.
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May 8, 2008, 10:19 PM | #14 |
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I can keep all my slugs within 12" at 125yd with my NEF 10ga
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May 9, 2008, 10:18 AM | #15 |
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I would have to see it to believe that a bead site can do 3"@ 100yds with slugs(maybe 100 feet). Most cant even get that with rifled bores and scopes. The factory doesnt even get those groups even under controlled conditions with return to battery barrel setups. Federal even rated their most accurate smoothbore slug at 6" @ 75yds saying its the most accurate one made. If you can get 3"@100yds consistently you have to have the most accurate bead sighted smoothbore in history. I dont see its possible when the bead covers up the whole target at that distance.
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I can drop an orange at 200 yards.
Nah, not really, but it sounded good.
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Workinwifdakids, I can also but im gonna need 20 or 30 shots to do it with a smoothbore and bead. LOL
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I've made kindling out of firewood at 50 yds. Good enough to get a reliable hit on a deer but I rarely use a slug hunting.
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May 10, 2008, 02:24 PM | #19 |
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That's right, Mike. My thread would be, "At what distance would smoothbore slug shooting resemble a shoulder-mounted mortar engaged in area harassment?"
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whats the effective hunting range of a non rifled slug?
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May 12, 2008, 09:01 AM | #22 |
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It has enough energy to kill a deer out to 200yds and beyond. But their not accurate enough for that range. Sabots on the other hand are very accurate and I have dropped deer at 200yds without a problem but my gun is set up for Sabot slugs and thats all that goes thru it. It likes 2 different brand and thats what I stick with. Hornady SST and Buckhammers. The Buckhammers are good to 125-150 and the SST's are good for 200+ with my gun. Never needed to shoot past 200 and dont think I would unless I realy had to.
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I can keep slugs on a 6" shoot n c target all the way out to about 50 or 60 yards offhand. So that would be my effective huning range with it. Cast Foster type slugs.
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One thing to keep in mind, is that a 1 oz. slug is going to drop roughly 10 and a half inches as 100 yards. The furthest I ever shoot slugs is about 40 yards, and anything I need to hit beyond that, I'm using a rifle.
Reverse rifling will never compete with the real deal, because the lead conforms to the steel, as opposed to the other way around, making a less than ideal gas seal. ( I mean rifling on the bullet, as opposed to the barrel itself) Despite the momentem factor, a 1 oz. slug is much more affected by gravity than a 168 grain bullet. Wadding, choke, empty space in the cartridge, and the plastic exterior of the shotshell itself all negativly affect accuracy, whereas rifle cartridges are much more precise and uniform. That being said, I know a man that can shoot throw an asprin in the air, shouler a rifle, and shoot the asprin, with a hit percentage pretty near 100% of the time. Anything is possible, especially if you have money, time, and plenty of ammo |
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