To chachunk, or not to chachunk - Page 2

dev_null · June 6, 2006, 10:45 AM

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A warning just tells an intruder where you are so he can shoot you.

People keep repeating that, but is it really true? Maybe if he's in the same room with you. But consider this scenario:

BG is tippy-toeing around living room. I'm in bedroom. I rack the slide on the 870, and bark out "I AM ARMED AND WILL DEFEND MYSELF. POLICE ARE ON THE WAY. YOU HAVE THREE SECONDS BEFORE I START SHOOTING." I immediately move to the other side of the room.

BG doesn't know exactly which room the sounds came from, and even if he guesses correctly, AND is dumb or high enough to come on against the shotty, AND thinks he knows where in the room I was standing, I've already moved.

Am I going to jump out of the bedroom door and take a chance he doesn't have his Gansta Nine pointed in my direction? Hell, no.

Are the chances pretty damned good that he'll leave pronto and not chance it again? Hell, yes.

And even if he doesn't, he's going to have to come down the hallway and into the bedroom door, backlit by the light from the other end, and face the 12-ga. with the Surefire on it. See ya.

Oh, and if for some reason I can't get to the 870, the D-E .50AE is in the nightstand, and the only sound it will need to make to get into play is the muffled snick of the safety.

threefivesevenmag · June 6, 2006, 11:11 AM

I don't think your verbal warning should be that long.

If they don't "run" when you've stated that you've called 911, then it really doesn't matter if they know you're armed or not.

Why a Desert Eagle .50 AE? Just curious.

autopsytech · June 6, 2006, 11:18 AM

Nope. I don't CHACHUNK. There's already a round in the chamber. I want the element of surprise on my side. If BG is armed in any way, by hearing the racking of the slide he's going to be ready for a fight. Keep the element of surprise on your side. Don't give him any oppurtunity to get one up on you.

ebd10 · June 6, 2006, 11:28 AM

If I "chachunk", I have surrendered the element of surprise. I don't want them to know the fight has started until after it's over.

flashman70 · June 6, 2006, 11:44 AM

Like others, nightstand pistol has one in the chamber (or all cylinders) and shotgun is loaded, but nothing up the spout.

steelheart · June 6, 2006, 11:45 AM

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are you locked and loaded? And why?

I read in one of Masaad Ayoob's columns years ago about a guy who kept a 1911 at his bedside with an empty chamber. The poice found him, 1911 in hand with a feeding jam, and a bullet hole in his skull.

No, thanks. Condition 1 for me.

Edward429451 · June 6, 2006, 12:06 PM

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Like others, nightstand pistol has one in the chamber (or all cylinders) and shotgun is loaded, but nothing up the spout.

Ditto.

OneInTheChamber · June 6, 2006, 02:53 PM

Chachunk????

I'll go for the weapon that makes the "Clack" if the condition one handgun isn't going to be enough.

jcoiii · June 6, 2006, 03:11 PM

I like this philosophy:

My bedside table pistol is ready to go. I don't have a shotgun as of yet. However, this is how my father has his set up.
Safety on
Empty chamber
Chamber closed

The idea is that if BG somehow gets hold of shot gun first, his first obstacle to firing is the safety. Once he figures that out, *click*. THEN he has to rack the shotgun. By that time, he has a nice failure drill pattern in him.

And, just in case visiting family might somehow, in some freak way, manage to somehow lay hands on it, those safety features are also in place.

But, the pistol is ready to go at all times.

mgdavis · June 6, 2006, 10:54 PM

Well, the bedside 870 is cruiser ready, the nightstand Glock 19 rests in its holster loaded. The only reason for the empty chamber of the shotgun, and the extra step with the Glock, is that I have had a couple very vivid dreams in which I was trying very hard to reach the weapon next to me, but could not. I don't want to shoot anything (least of all myself) in my sleep.

dev_null · June 6, 2006, 11:37 PM

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Why a Desert Eagle .50 AE? Just curious.

My thinking was that when I want to stop 'em, I want to STOP 'em. Might be a bit of overkill (no pun intended), might not. Since I'm in a single family home at the bottom of a cul-de-sac with no neighbors on two sides, I'm not so concerned about overpenetration.

That said, I'm actually reconsidering for two reasons: first is that there is one angle by which a missed shot could conceivably go down the hall and out the study window that faces a neighbor's garage across the cul-de-sac. (Then again, not sure that switching to .45 ACP or 10 mm is much better in that regard.) The other is because it's a lot easier to one-hand the latter two than the DE, and somehow the idea of trying to control that bad boy with one hand while holding the flashlight with my weak hand is enough to give me pause.

BTW, did you know that "cul-de-sac" literally means "@$$ of the bag?" Hey, I'm all kinds of helpful!

FirstFreedom · June 7, 2006, 12:34 AM

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Do you leave your chamber empty so you can chachunk your home intruder a warning?

I couldn't vote because I keep one in the chamber, but also still chachunk for intimidation, throwing the live one out on the floor.

Glenn E. Meyer · June 7, 2006, 09:34 AM

I propose the Chachunk grenade. It wouldn't be too hard with today's tech to make a small gadget that emits a giant chachunk. Upon hearing a bad guy, you can toss the chachunker down the stairs or outside the safe room.

There are other ways to record a Chachunk and have it played in the house.

It seems to be reasonable that one has a ready to go gun. I have available pistols and revolvers like that. The long arms - shotgun or AR (my preferred Zombie house gun) do need to be chambered but that is for safety as compared to sound effects.

warwagon · June 7, 2006, 12:59 PM

Glen...

I keep mine loaded, chamber empty, with a pistol, close, and ready.

It worked for the years I was on the job, and still does.

kraven · June 7, 2006, 01:25 PM

Glen, the chachunk grenade is the funniest thing I've read on a gun forum in years.

And, a great idea too for the guys who like the chachunk sound. They can get the chachunk right on the guy's foot.
Too funny.

johnsonrlp · June 7, 2006, 01:57 PM

Interesting. It would definately confuse someone. Might make for a good distraction too. You could, for instance, throw a few of them to either side of the BG. If he starts shooting towards the sound you gain the advantage.

dev_null · June 7, 2006, 02:00 PM

Ipods, with motion sensors, different parts of the room. Get enough and it's like a scene from a movie!

skeeter1 · June 7, 2006, 02:10 PM

I keep a wheelgun loaded and in the bedroom dresser drawer, so the first (and last) sound some BG breaking into my house is going to hear will be "BOOM."

BigO01 · June 7, 2006, 03:37 PM

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Home defense weapon is a revolver. All chambers loaded. One speed loader in reach at night along with a mag light.
No chachunk.

Same here even though if I did reach for an auto it would have to have a round chambered , I doubt the BG is going to hear anything over his own screams because the dog will be keeping him busy untill I get there .

Mannlicher · June 7, 2006, 03:40 PM

giving away your position, and status is a bad idea. Taking the time to do what you should have already done, may cost you your life. If you think the 'chachunk' sound scares folks, just wait until they hear "KABLAM"

Koz · June 7, 2006, 04:04 PM

I make the sound with my mouth.

skeeter1 · June 7, 2006, 05:15 PM

+BigO01

My shooting buddy and his wife have a 98lb Doberman, which serves as the first line. If anyone knocked on the door and heard that dog, they would 1). pee their pants, and 2). run like heck. I've known the dog for 10 years, and to me she's a sweetie, but if I were a stranger, I'd boogey out of there as fast as I could.

XavierBreath · June 7, 2006, 08:52 PM

I prepare my shotguns with the chamber empty and the hammer down for one reason. A Winchester 1300 will work exactly like a Mossberg 500 in that configuration. No safeties to push, no slide to release. I use both for home defense. Set up like that, I have the chamber empty for safety, yet the function is the same regardless of what I have in my hand. This is the purpose of condition "cruiser ready".

The sound effect is just a byproduct of being prepared. If it works, I do not have to replace the carpet. If it does not, then the carpet gets replaced.

FirstFreedom · June 13, 2006, 12:59 PM

"Cha-chunk Grenade"... tee hee.

Steelheart, he won't even hear that since your .357 mag bullet is travelling faster than the speed of sound. It's just a peaceful lights-out - really too mild of a fate for one as deserving of more as someone who invades your home. At least give hime the SA-cock click a la Silence of the Lambs so he will experience some fear.

gdeal · June 13, 2006, 01:43 PM

Revolver always six chambers loaded. Semi-Auto and pump shotgun I would want the chamber empty.

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June 6, 2006, 11:44 AM	#30
flashman70 Senior Member Join Date: February 23, 2006 Location: Northern VA Posts: 164	Like others, nightstand pistol has one in the chamber (or all cylinders) and shotgun is loaded, but nothing up the spout. __________________ Clarior hinc honos

June 6, 2006, 02:53 PM	#33
OneInTheChamber Senior Member Join Date: December 12, 2005 Posts: 789	Chachunk???? I'll go for the weapon that makes the "Clack" if the condition one handgun isn't going to be enough. __________________ Insert witty, comical, and/or significant quote here.

June 6, 2006, 03:11 PM	#34
jcoiii Senior Member Join Date: January 8, 2002 Location: TN Posts: 556	I like this philosophy: My bedside table pistol is ready to go. I don't have a shotgun as of yet. However, this is how my father has his set up. Safety on Empty chamber Chamber closed The idea is that if BG somehow gets hold of shot gun first, his first obstacle to firing is the safety. Once he figures that out, click. THEN he has to rack the shotgun. By that time, he has a nice failure drill pattern in him. And, just in case visiting family might somehow, in some freak way, manage to somehow lay hands on it, those safety features are also in place. But, the pistol is ready to go at all times. __________________ Truth knows no political correctness. I do not aim with my hand.......

June 6, 2006, 10:54 PM	#35
mgdavis Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2004 Location: Western Washington Posts: 397	Well, the bedside 870 is cruiser ready, the nightstand Glock 19 rests in its holster loaded. The only reason for the empty chamber of the shotgun, and the extra step with the Glock, is that I have had a couple very vivid dreams in which I was trying very hard to reach the weapon next to me, but could not. I don't want to shoot anything (least of all myself) in my sleep. __________________ Since the internet is anonymous, I'm really good looking too.

June 6, 2006, 11:11 AM	#27
threefivesevenmag Senior Member Join Date: May 8, 2005 Posts: 406	I don't think your verbal warning should be that long. If they don't "run" when you've stated that you've called 911, then it really doesn't matter if they know you're armed or not. Why a Desert Eagle .50 AE? Just curious.

June 6, 2006, 11:18 AM	#28
autopsytech Senior Member Join Date: February 16, 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 179	Nope. I don't CHACHUNK. There's already a round in the chamber. I want the element of surprise on my side. If BG is armed in any way, by hearing the racking of the slide he's going to be ready for a fight. Keep the element of surprise on your side. Don't give him any oppurtunity to get one up on you.

June 6, 2006, 11:28 AM	#29
ebd10 Senior Member Join Date: December 8, 2004 Location: South Dakota Posts: 127	If I "chachunk", I have surrendered the element of surprise. I don't want them to know the fight has started until after it's over.

June 7, 2006, 09:34 AM	#38
Glenn E. Meyer Senior Member Join Date: November 17, 2000 Posts: 20,064	I propose the Chachunk grenade. It wouldn't be too hard with today's tech to make a small gadget that emits a giant chachunk. Upon hearing a bad guy, you can toss the chachunker down the stairs or outside the safe room. There are other ways to record a Chachunk and have it played in the house. It seems to be reasonable that one has a ready to go gun. I have available pistols and revolvers like that. The long arms - shotgun or AR (my preferred Zombie house gun) do need to be chambered but that is for safety as compared to sound effects. __________________ NRA, TSRA, IDPA, NTI, Polite Soc. - Aux Armes, Citoyens

June 7, 2006, 12:59 PM	#39
warwagon Senior Member Join Date: November 7, 2005 Location: Dayton Oh Posts: 341	Glen... I keep mine loaded, chamber empty, with a pistol, close, and ready. It worked for the years I was on the job, and still does.

June 7, 2006, 01:25 PM	#40
kraven Member Join Date: February 9, 2005 Location: Virginia Posts: 66	bwaaaaaaahahahahahaaaaaa!! Glen, the chachunk grenade is the funniest thing I've read on a gun forum in years. And, a great idea too for the guys who like the chachunk sound. They can get the chachunk right on the guy's foot. Too funny. __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacessit

June 7, 2006, 01:57 PM	#41
johnsonrlp Senior Member Join Date: April 27, 2005 Location: Ft Hood area, originally CA Posts: 268	Chachunk Grenade Interesting. It would definately confuse someone. Might make for a good distraction too. You could, for instance, throw a few of them to either side of the BG. If he starts shooting towards the sound you gain the advantage. __________________ I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend. Thomas Jefferson

June 7, 2006, 02:00 PM	#42
dev_null Senior Member Join Date: June 23, 2002 Location: Austin TX Posts: 615	Kachunk Grenade Ipods, with motion sensors, different parts of the room. Get enough and it's like a scene from a movie! __________________ The plural of anecdote is NOT "data."

June 7, 2006, 02:10 PM	#43
skeeter1 Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2006 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 3,403	I keep a wheelgun loaded and in the bedroom dresser drawer, so the first (and last) sound some BG breaking into my house is going to hear will be "BOOM."

June 7, 2006, 03:40 PM	#45
Mannlicher Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2001 Location: North Central Florida & Miami Posts: 3,209	giving away your position, and status is a bad idea. Taking the time to do what you should have already done, may cost you your life. If you think the 'chachunk' sound scares folks, just wait until they hear "KABLAM" __________________ Nemo Me Impune Lacesset "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.".........Ronald Reagan

June 7, 2006, 04:04 PM	#46
Koz Member Join Date: September 5, 2005 Posts: 27	I make the sound with my mouth.

June 7, 2006, 05:15 PM	#47
skeeter1 Senior Member Join Date: April 11, 2006 Location: Northeast Ohio Posts: 3,403	+BigO01 My shooting buddy and his wife have a 98lb Doberman, which serves as the first line. If anyone knocked on the door and heard that dog, they would 1). pee their pants, and 2). run like heck. I've known the dog for 10 years, and to me she's a sweetie, but if I were a stranger, I'd boogey out of there as fast as I could.

June 7, 2006, 08:52 PM	#48
XavierBreath Senior Member Join Date: December 6, 2002 Location: North Louisiana Posts: 2,800	I prepare my shotguns with the chamber empty and the hammer down for one reason. A Winchester 1300 will work exactly like a Mossberg 500 in that configuration. No safeties to push, no slide to release. I use both for home defense. Set up like that, I have the chamber empty for safety, yet the function is the same regardless of what I have in my hand. This is the purpose of condition "cruiser ready". The sound effect is just a byproduct of being prepared. If it works, I do not have to replace the carpet. If it does not, then the carpet gets replaced. __________________ Xavier's Blog

June 13, 2006, 12:59 PM	#49
FirstFreedom Junior member Join Date: May 31, 2004 Location: The Toll Road State, U.S.A. Posts: 12,451	"Cha-chunk Grenade"... tee hee. Steelheart, he won't even hear that since your .357 mag bullet is travelling faster than the speed of sound. It's just a peaceful lights-out - really too mild of a fate for one as deserving of more as someone who invades your home. At least give hime the SA-cock click a la Silence of the Lambs so he will experience some fear.

June 13, 2006, 01:43 PM	#50
gdeal Senior Member Join Date: October 30, 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 748	I thought we were just talking about pump shotguns Revolver always six chambers loaded. Semi-Auto and pump shotgun I would want the chamber empty.