Uberti Revolving Carbine Question

CommissarHark · April 6, 2013, 03:35 PM

I recently purchased a pair of Uberti Cattleman's Carbine, the Remington C&B variety, for my Fiance and I. We decided to convert them to cartridge loading, with Kirst gated conversions. I decided to go one step further though and purchased several, UBM Rail sections from NC Star. with a short vertical grip, red dot sight, and flashlight/laser combo mounted on it it looks quite cool and tasticlised (Probably butchered that one), but I'm worried about taking it to the range for one big reason; Gas Cutting. I've read about the dangers of it, how you have to hold revolvers the right way, and even had it mentioned by Mike Bellevue on his youtube channel specifically for this carbine. What my question is, is since my arm and hand are well away from the front of the cylinder, and the forcing cone, as the vertical grip has my arm at an obtuse angle, should I be fine so as long as I have sleeves on or should I think about investing in a pair of bracers? (I have a friend in the SCA who could get me a good pair, maybe even with reinforcement if necessary.) Any help would be appreciated.

IDAHOMIKE · April 6, 2013, 05:13 PM

I don't know how anxious Id be to find out. If your shooting BP loaded rounds, I imagine it could get exciting. With sleeves and limited use, it may be fine, Im not sure. I must say though that some pic of the gun with accessories would be fun to see.

Newton24b · April 6, 2013, 05:26 PM

the government troops using the revolving rifles discovereed they needed heavy duty leather gloves with elbow length gauntlets.

rep1954 · April 6, 2013, 06:08 PM

Many years ago I purchased one of the 1858 Remington Carbines and took it to the range for it's first time. I got it all loaded and went to shoot it. I cocked it and then fired it and then I couldn't hear anymore. In the excitement I forgot to put on my head gear. For 3 days I couldn't forget what happened. You don't want your ears that close to a cylinder being fired without protected ears.

DaleA · April 6, 2013, 06:30 PM

Hmmm...since it's a concern I think I might head over to the thrift store and see if I could get anything cheap, long sleeved and leather.

After one shooting session I'd check the sleeve and then go from there.

burrhead · April 6, 2013, 07:13 PM

You'll want a welding jacket.

CommissarHark · April 6, 2013, 08:15 PM

@ everyone who said anything about lighting my arms on fire or burning myself

: Well I've got welding gloves that I can use to test, and maybe my barn jacket would be enough to cover the arms just in case. I'll have to give it a go and see.

@IDAHOMIKE: I'm using smokeless loads. I'll post some pictures once I get it all finished up. I'm waiting on a few more rail sections, and I need to get my hands on some tapping bits, and my uncles drill press. I want to do that fix where you use a set screw to hold the cylinder pin in place so you don't need the loading lever.

@rep1954: Don't worry I'd never shoot without covered ears.

DPris · April 6, 2013, 08:43 PM

I've worked with a cartridge version.
Keep your hands behind the B/C gap.
If you're trying to be "tactical" it's a bad idea.
If you're just playing, see Line 2.
Denis

DWFan · April 7, 2013, 08:33 AM

These carbines don't have a forehand for a reason. Either train to use them one-handed, as they were meant, or wrap both hands around the grip.
The Rossi Circuit Judge revolver carbines have a blast shield at the end of the cylinder.

bedbugbilly · April 7, 2013, 04:32 PM

I don't know if I'm fully understanding what the OP is trying to do - but these were designed (if I am remembering correctly - or at least ones made years ago) with a spur on the trigger guard to use you other hand to support the carbine when firing. It isn't so much the side flash of the individual charge going off - if you are firing it with the standard method of loading it (i.e. like a cap and ball pistol - not a cartridge conversion) you run the risk as with any C & B revolver of a "chain fire". If you have a hand in front of that cylinder and it chain fires, you probably are going to suffer some substantial damage to your hand - not to mention the possible loss of fingers. Keep your hands where they belong - behind the cylinder. The loading lever is not intended to be used as a "forearm".

SIGSHR · April 7, 2013, 05:19 PM

I have fired a Colt 1861 Army with a shoulder stock, the support hand goes BEHIND the B/C gap. Most comfortable position for me is on top of the shooting hand.

**Aguila Blanca** · April 7, 2013, 06:31 PM

Another comment from the Department of Redundancy Department: Don't try to use a foregrip or anything else that puts your hand or arm in line with or ahead of the barrel-cylinder gap.

April 6, 2013, 03:35 PM	#1
CommissarHark Member Join Date: March 27, 2013 Posts: 15	Uberti Revolving Carbine Question I recently purchased a pair of Uberti Cattleman's Carbine, the Remington C&B variety, for my Fiance and I. We decided to convert them to cartridge loading, with Kirst gated conversions. I decided to go one step further though and purchased several, UBM Rail sections from NC Star. with a short vertical grip, red dot sight, and flashlight/laser combo mounted on it it looks quite cool and tasticlised (Probably butchered that one), but I'm worried about taking it to the range for one big reason; Gas Cutting. I've read about the dangers of it, how you have to hold revolvers the right way, and even had it mentioned by Mike Bellevue on his youtube channel specifically for this carbine. What my question is, is since my arm and hand are well away from the front of the cylinder, and the forcing cone, as the vertical grip has my arm at an obtuse angle, should I be fine so as long as I have sleeves on or should I think about investing in a pair of bracers? (I have a friend in the SCA who could get me a good pair, maybe even with reinforcement if necessary.) Any help would be appreciated.

April 6, 2013, 07:13 PM	#6
burrhead Senior Member Join Date: July 6, 1999 Location: Chihuahuan desert, Texas Posts: 1,148	You'll want a welding jacket. __________________ Join the GOA, SAF and the TSRA I'm offended by people that are easily offended.

April 7, 2013, 04:32 PM	#10
bedbugbilly Senior Member Join Date: November 19, 2009 Posts: 3,287	I don't know if I'm fully understanding what the OP is trying to do - but these were designed (if I am remembering correctly - or at least ones made years ago) with a spur on the trigger guard to use you other hand to support the carbine when firing. It isn't so much the side flash of the individual charge going off - if you are firing it with the standard method of loading it (i.e. like a cap and ball pistol - not a cartridge conversion) you run the risk as with any C & B revolver of a "chain fire". If you have a hand in front of that cylinder and it chain fires, you probably are going to suffer some substantial damage to your hand - not to mention the possible loss of fingers. Keep your hands where they belong - behind the cylinder. The loading lever is not intended to be used as a "forearm". __________________ If a pair of '51 Navies were good enough for Billy Hickok, then a single Navy on my right hip is good enough for me . . . besides . . . I'm probably only half as good as he was anyways. Hiram's Rangers Badge #63

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April 6, 2013, 05:13 PM	#2
IDAHOMIKE Senior Member Join Date: November 25, 2007 Location: Gooding, ID Posts: 348	I don't know how anxious Id be to find out. If your shooting BP loaded rounds, I imagine it could get exciting. With sleeves and limited use, it may be fine, Im not sure. I must say though that some pic of the gun with accessories would be fun to see.

April 6, 2013, 05:26 PM	#3
Newton24b Junior member Join Date: February 10, 2009 Posts: 974	the government troops using the revolving rifles discovereed they needed heavy duty leather gloves with elbow length gauntlets.

April 6, 2013, 06:08 PM	#4
rep1954 Senior Member Join Date: July 5, 2009 Location: Mid Western Michigan Posts: 1,187	Many years ago I purchased one of the 1858 Remington Carbines and took it to the range for it's first time. I got it all loaded and went to shoot it. I cocked it and then fired it and then I couldn't hear anymore. In the excitement I forgot to put on my head gear. For 3 days I couldn't forget what happened. You don't want your ears that close to a cylinder being fired without protected ears.

April 6, 2013, 06:30 PM	#5
DaleA Senior Member Join Date: September 12, 2002 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 5,310	Hmmm...since it's a concern I think I might head over to the thrift store and see if I could get anything cheap, long sleeved and leather. After one shooting session I'd check the sleeve and then go from there.

April 6, 2013, 08:15 PM	#7
CommissarHark Member Join Date: March 27, 2013 Posts: 15	@ everyone who said anything about lighting my arms on fire or burning myself : Well I've got welding gloves that I can use to test, and maybe my barn jacket would be enough to cover the arms just in case. I'll have to give it a go and see. @IDAHOMIKE: I'm using smokeless loads. I'll post some pictures once I get it all finished up. I'm waiting on a few more rail sections, and I need to get my hands on some tapping bits, and my uncles drill press. I want to do that fix where you use a set screw to hold the cylinder pin in place so you don't need the loading lever. @rep1954: Don't worry I'd never shoot without covered ears.

April 6, 2013, 08:43 PM	#8
DPris Member Emeritus Join Date: August 19, 2004 Posts: 7,133	I've worked with a cartridge version. Keep your hands behind the B/C gap. If you're trying to be "tactical" it's a bad idea. If you're just playing, see Line 2. Denis

April 7, 2013, 08:33 AM	#9
DWFan Senior Member Join Date: April 25, 2008 Posts: 305	These carbines don't have a forehand for a reason. Either train to use them one-handed, as they were meant, or wrap both hands around the grip. The Rossi Circuit Judge revolver carbines have a blast shield at the end of the cylinder.

April 7, 2013, 05:19 PM	#11
SIGSHR Senior Member Join Date: September 13, 2005 Posts: 4,700	I have fired a Colt 1861 Army with a shoulder stock, the support hand goes BEHIND the B/C gap. Most comfortable position for me is on top of the shooting hand.

April 7, 2013, 06:31 PM	#12
Aguila Blanca Staff Join Date: September 25, 2008 Location: CONUS Posts: 18,457	Another comment from the Department of Redundancy Department: Don't try to use a foregrip or anything else that puts your hand or arm in line with or ahead of the barrel-cylinder gap.