April 19, 2017, 01:04 AM | #1 |
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9mm Powder
Looking to get into reloading 9mm for general range practice. Im intending on loading 115 gr FMJ. What's everyone's recommendations for powder type/load?
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April 19, 2017, 06:29 AM | #2 |
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WW 231 is my goto powder for just about everything.
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April 19, 2017, 06:57 AM | #3 |
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Power Pistol works for me.
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April 19, 2017, 06:57 AM | #4 |
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Is 231 readily available where you live? Haven't seen it where I live for quite some time. Then there are the internet rumors that a lot of the good, but older, powders will be going away due to cost of manufacturing and waste disposal.....
IIRC, 231 and 296 were listed. Anyone verify or deny that?
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April 19, 2017, 07:00 AM | #5 |
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TiteGroup for the lighter loads. AA#5 or #7 for the hotter loads. AA#7 was designed specifically for use in 9x19 so I figure it's good enough for me.
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April 19, 2017, 07:15 AM | #6 |
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The classic load is 6.0 grains of Unique, for about 1050-1100 fps out of a full size pistol. I've been shooting this load for half a zillion years; some people claim Unique is dirty, but I haven't found it so. Likewise, some folks report problems metering Unique consistently; again, my venerable Uniflow throws is plus or minus 0.1 grain.
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April 19, 2017, 08:04 AM | #7 |
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Winchester 231 is always a great choice (and is useful in about any handgun cartridge you care to mention)...it meters far better than Unique by a large margin and is more readily available, at least over the past 5-7 years of panic buying shortages. Another good choice is WST. I've used all 3 of them, & get equal accuracy after load work up. HTH's Rod
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April 19, 2017, 08:27 AM | #8 |
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I use W231 and Titegroup.
So far I've gotten the best results with Titegroup. |
April 19, 2017, 11:05 AM | #9 |
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Another vote for Titegroup, although I have not loaded 115 gr. in a long time, I cannot remember the charge. I still use TG for my 125 gr. loads however.
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April 19, 2017, 12:25 PM | #10 |
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W231/HP-38 (they're the same propellant, in different packaging); AA#2, N-320, and TiteGroup are all great choices.
But just about anything in that burn rate range (fast) should work well (Bullseye, Red Dot, 700X, etc). Stay away from intermediate burn rate range propellants. Such as, Power Pistol, AA#5, AA#7, and others. They are not suitable for your purpose (light bullets, range practice velocities). These propellants are better tailored for heavier bullets and max (or near max) velocities. Turning them down to suit your needs will result in excessively low pressure; and thus, incomplete burns, and inconsistent results. Use a propellant correct for the application.
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April 19, 2017, 12:40 PM | #11 |
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Bullseye for everything except .41AE. Don't even think about .41AE though. There's no ammo or brass. Or pistols.
The load another shooter uses will be of no use to you. Every pistol will like a different load. Make sure the range you shoot on allows jacketed ammo(Or cast. Some allow plated only.) and don't buy anything in bulk until you have worked up the load.
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April 19, 2017, 05:00 PM | #12 |
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I've been happy with Winchester Autocomp - 5.1g for my 115g 9mm.
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April 19, 2017, 05:12 PM | #13 |
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For light pistol use I have used W231/HP-38 for 38 45 and 9mm in the past but after trying TiteGroup I haven't used the HP-38 since. It is more consistent and cleaner burning than HP-38, meters great, I get higher velocities with less powder and it is not at all position sensitive. so I can't find any drawbacks.
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For 9mm I've used TiteGroup, CFE Pistol, Power Pistol, and Bullseye. If I were just beginning to learn to reload, I'd probably choose anything besides TG. The reason being Titegroup is a small volume powder, which makes it a lot easier to double charge a case; certainly much easier than with the other powders I've used.
With the other powders I use a double charge is blatantly obvious, and some actually overflow if doubled. Once you get some experience and develop your safety plan, TG is a nice economical powder that works well in 9mm. |
April 19, 2017, 05:45 PM | #15 |
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I do very well with Bullseye and Win 231 for lighter/ medium plinking loads, and titegroup or power pistol for warmer loads in 9mm.
If I had to pick just one it would easily be Win 231/ HP-38. Its a very versatile powder.
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April 19, 2017, 06:32 PM | #16 |
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Clays, followed by HS-6, followed by Titegroup. I also have used a lot of 700X which works very well but meters inconsistently in small charges. Clays is no.1 because it's clean, accurate, economical, and has a very mild recoil impulse compared to most other powders.
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April 19, 2017, 06:40 PM | #17 |
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another vote for power pistol
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April 19, 2017, 06:56 PM | #18 |
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Of the powders I have on the shelf:
CFE-pistol This has been my go-to for over a year on 9mm (10k rounds) on all weights of bullets and first back-up for 45. Win 231/ HP-38 Very versatile and it works well with a few other calibers HS-6 comes in close behind HP-38 Specialty: Bullseye and TiteGroup are a bit fast but I like them better with heavier bullets. |
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I have been testing my M92 Beretta Bullseye Pistol and my most recent acquisition, a Kimber Two Tone Custom II in 9mm.
I can say that the most accurate powder with a 115 jacketed or plated bullet between the two pistols is Power Pistol. I have included plated bullet data and Titegroup and an RMR plated bullet shoots well in the Bar Sto Barrel of the Beretta, but blows chunks in the Kimber barrel. Having gone to the range this week and shot both pistols, unfortunately rain washed out my chronograph, I can say my jacketed loads are much tighter and more consistent than the RMR plated bullets. Those bullets shot well most of the time, but would fling a flyer every magazine. I did find that my load of 7.2 grains Blue Dot was very acceptable, not for match shooting, but for practice ammunition. Code:
M92 FS Beretta Bar Sto Barrel 115 Full Metal Case Master Factory Ammo 20-Jun-09 T = 90 °F Ave Vel = 1180 Std Dev = 10.19 ES = 33.27 High = 1197 Low = 1167 N =8 115 gr FMJ Hornady 0.355" 4.2 grs Titegroup lot 4-16 WSP OAL 1.15" 15-Sep-16 T = 95 °F crimp 0.375" Ave Vel = 1108 Std Dev = 26 ES = 75 Low = 1074 High = 1149 N = 9 115 gr FMJ Hornady 0.355" 6.0 grs Power Pistol lot 3-16 WSP OAL 1.15" crimp 0.375" 15-Sep-16 T = 95 °F Ave Vel = 1187 Std Dev = 16 ES = 58 Low = 1157 High = 1215 N = 9 v accurate. 115 gr RMR Plated RN 4.2 grs Titegroup lot 4-16 WSP OAL 1.150" Mag Length crimp 0.375" 15-Sep-16 T = 95 °F Ave Vel = 1092 Std Dev = 20 ES = 73 Low = 1065 High = 1138 N = 16 very accurate 115 gr RMR Plated RN 6.0 grs Power Pistol lot 3-16 WSP OAL 1.150" Mag Length 15-Sep-16 T = 94 °F crimp 0.375" Ave Vel = 1175 Std Dev = 22 ES = 81 Low = 1130 High = 1211 N = 20 Very accurate 115 gr XTP Hornady HP 0.355" 6.0 grs Power Pistol lot 3-16 WSP OAL 1.10" 15-Sep-16 T = 95 °F crimp 0.375" Ave Vel = 1161 Std Dev = 54 ES = 197 Low = 1111 High = 1308 Kimber Custom II Two Tone with Ultra Dot & Clark Mount 115 gr FMC Master Factory 6-Apr-17 T = 55 °F Ave Vel = 1192 Std Dev = 13 ES = 37 High = 1211 Low = 1174 N = 9 Excellent function might be able to hold ten ring. 115 RMR Plated 4.2 grs Titegroup (4-16 lot) mixed cases WSP OAL 1.15" 6-Apr-17 T = 55 °F Ave Vel = 1124 Std Dev = 17 ES = 49 High = 1141 Low = 1093 N = 12 With W231 elevation shot below bull in 7-8 ring. Would not hold black. Functioned Each round 115 RMR Plated 7.2 grs Bluedot (1990 lot) mixed cases WSP OAL 1.15" Crimped 0.376" 6-Apr-17 T = 55 °F Ave Vel = 1176 Std Dev = 38 ES = 112 High = 1239 Low = 1127 N = 9 The most accurate load in series. Looks to hold ten ring @ 25 yards. Sharp ejection, POI about 7 OC in 10 ring with W231 Elevation & windage
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April 19, 2017, 08:25 PM | #20 |
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I am in love with VV N340. It is the cleanest powder I have used in the 9. We did some night shooting last summer. I was watching a nephew shoot his STI and although it was pitch dark, there was no muzzle flash. Also, it fills the case enough that there is absolutely no chance of a double charge.
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April 19, 2017, 08:48 PM | #21 |
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Alright, Im thinking Im going to give w231 a try. Thank you for your input gentleman.
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April 20, 2017, 06:00 AM | #22 |
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Bought a 5lb jug of 700x so using that in everything right now.... that along with TG ... 700 gives a really nice show o' flames
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April 21, 2017, 04:30 AM | #23 |
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Been using Accurate Arms #7 for many years, works great for me. I've used Unique, 5 gr for cast powder coated loads, pretty good, but I love the way AA meters in my Uniflow.
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HS-6, but that's for my 124g plinker rounds. Its very accurate and cycles all of my 9mm.
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