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Last May, I went to Arizona to work with Massad Ayoob as an assistant instructor in his MAG40 class in Sierra Vista. I paid my own way and received no compensation. I consider myself fortunate to be able to make this contribution to both the RKBA and responsible gun ownership. Quote:
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I would say that it would come down to if a jury of my peers considered my actions (given your scenario) "reasonable" for the situation. I pray that I personally never am in a situation to use a firearm for anything other than recreation, and hunting. As I have finite time and resources I will accord them as I see fit; with out any feelings of "guilt" at not pursuing additional firearm training purely out of a "moral obligation". |
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Well, we have to disagree. As stated many times before in my view, seeking reasonable competence in using an instrument of lethal force in a situation where innocents may come to harm because of my action is a moral obligation.
If you don't, then there is little to say. If you want to have a jury of your peers decide what is right or wrong - that's your choice. That standard voids most internal moral codes and regresses to what you can get away with for your own self interest. We are going in circles. Some have standard X and some have standard Y. Not taking responsibility and hoping a jury lets you go is not my standard.
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Self defense shootings and LEO engagements have two things in common with air or armored combat and with serious emergencies that happen in an airplane or on a manned spacecraft or on a submarine: (1) they do not occur very frequently, and (2) in any one event, there is a large number of ways in which events may unfold. So, in order to come up with strategies with which to handle them and, yes, to train for them, participants have to simulate the events, as realistically as possible. Scenarios are devised in which adversaries attempt to defeat each other, and/or in which participants try to react effectively to developments as they happen. Some of our members here (I am not among them) have gone to the National Tactical Invitational, in which participants try out different approaches in realistic environs using simunitions. One thing they can learn from this is that has been discussed in another thread is how to avoid getting killed in the event of a home invasion--how defensive tactics can be used more effectively than walking into an ambush. Another thing that is learned from such simulation, and this is important here, is what kinds of skills are needed to shoot one or more assailants before they can shoot you should an imminent threat materialize--how fast you must be able to draw and fire, perhaps while running for cover, to make it out of there successfully. I have alluded to some of the times and distances involved: Quote:
Now most of us who have taken training believe that we will not be able to do that without practicing what we have been trained. So, my question to you, markj, is this:
Remember, we're dealing with conditional probabilities here. If no one attacks you, you don't need a gun at all, but if it does happen.... Also remember that if you are not in imminent danger, you may not even draw your gun lawfully. If your answer is the latter, and I remind you that the scenarios have been developed by experts and that we pay to have our police officers trained to be able to do those things among many others, perhaps you could enlighten us with the basis for your thinking. By the way, I am discussing what William Lee described earlier as Quote:
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12 pages long. 281 posts. Wow.
My congratulations to most of you that hung in and contributed in a thoughtful way, but there's little likelihood a newcomer to the topic will read all this and get up to speed. Let's give it a rest. Maybe in a week or two we can ease into this topic again. For now: Closed. |
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