H&R Mk II Revolver

Wisesfour · August 29, 2015, 10:42 AM

How would I find out the possible value of my H&R, MK II, 92 (not .32) S&W? I know it's rare and was used by the British police during WW II? But, I'm thinking of selling and would like any history or value of the gun. Thanks

Lucas McCain · August 29, 2015, 10:49 AM

The best source for S&W info is the S&W forum. And awful lot of knowledge there.
Sorry I technoclly challenged and don't know how to add a link.

Wisesfour · August 29, 2015, 10:50 AM

Thank you

Lucas McCain · August 29, 2015, 10:58 AM

On a second thought when .357 is converted to metric it is very close to 92.

gyvel · August 29, 2015, 02:35 PM

How about some photos? They would help immensely. Sounds like you have a H&R Defender which the British purchased during WWII when they were desperate for arms. The caliber is .38 S&W, (not .38 S&W Special), and the guns aren't especially rare. Without a picture it's practically impossible to see the context in which "92" is used, but, if it's a metric caliber designation (which the Brits did not used in WWII), it's most likely "9.2."

Again: Pictures, please.

Wisesfour · August 29, 2015, 05:00 PM

I'm working on trying to post pics. So far the files are too big for the site to allow.

Wisesfour · August 29, 2015, 05:02 PM

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gyvel · August 29, 2015, 10:55 PM

The pics help, but a pic of the whole revolver would also help.

My original surmise, based on the info you gave, that the gun is an H&R Defender .38 S&W is incorrect.

From the pics it appears that you have a large frame .32 S&W revolver with some type of plastic grips. The caliber stamped on the barrel is not "92," but "32" with the "3" being badly mis-stamped so as to look like a "9."

Is there any writing on the top of the barrel? It could be an Iver Johnson as well. Do the grips have an owl head logo?

Bill DeShivs · August 29, 2015, 11:28 PM

Pretty sure it's not a S&W.

James K · August 29, 2015, 11:33 PM

That is not an S&W revolver of any kind, though it is chambered for the .32 S&W cartridge. (It is called that because it was developed for S&W and first used by them, but dozens of revolver makers, large and small, made guns for it.)

Both Iver Johnson and Harrington & Richardson made revolvers of that type in the U.S., but that gun does not appear to be from either company. If there are no markings on the top or the other side of the barrel, I would suspect Spanish manufacture.

Jim

natman · August 30, 2015, 09:59 AM

It looks like there's an H&R logo at the top of the grip in the second picture.

Wisesfour · August 30, 2015, 01:32 PM

It does have the H&R stamp on the grip. This is the pic of the top of the gun. image.jpg

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Wisesfour · August 30, 2015, 02:00 PM

Thank you for all the input. Appreciate any information as it was in my grandfather's collection. Sorry for the size of the pics. Hope it helps.

RJay · August 30, 2015, 06:20 PM

I was used by H&R in 1948.

natman · August 31, 2015, 10:57 AM

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I was used by H&R in 1948.

Did it hurt?

RJay · August 31, 2015, 12:03 PM

Only when I laugh

I think I must have crossed over from another post, disregard the "I". However, I see no British marking of any type so it was not used by the British police nor is there any evidence it has ever left the U.S. It is simply a H&R revolver in 32 S&W caliber made between 1905 and 1939 ( in 1940 H&R added a letter prefix to the serial number ).

gyvel · August 31, 2015, 12:11 PM

So, basically, I was close with my first guess of an H&R Defender. I guess what he has is a large frame in .32 S&W. First time I have ever heard the designation of "MK II," however.

RJay · August 31, 2015, 12:57 PM

I think somehow he has it confused with one of the British Webley MK II, perhaps because it is also a break top.

hartcreek · August 31, 2015, 01:03 PM

I hope you do not need major money for something important as you are going to be lucky to get much more then $100 for that H&R.

August 29, 2015, 10:42 AM	#1
Wisesfour Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2015 Posts: 14	H&R Mk II Revolver How would I find out the possible value of my H&R, MK II, 92 (not .32) S&W? I know it's rare and was used by the British police during WW II? But, I'm thinking of selling and would like any history or value of the gun. Thanks

August 29, 2015, 10:49 AM	#2
Lucas McCain Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2013 Location: Callaway, MN Posts: 361	The best source for S&W info is the S&W forum. And awful lot of knowledge there. Sorry I technoclly challenged and don't know how to add a link. __________________ If you have time to do it twice, then you have time to do it once right and put your name on it

August 29, 2015, 10:58 AM	#4
Lucas McCain Senior Member Join Date: March 7, 2013 Location: Callaway, MN Posts: 361	On a second thought when .357 is converted to metric it is very close to 92. __________________ If you have time to do it twice, then you have time to do it once right and put your name on it

August 29, 2015, 02:35 PM	#5
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	How about some photos? They would help immensely. Sounds like you have a H&R Defender which the British purchased during WWII when they were desperate for arms. The caliber is .38 S&W, (not .38 S&W Special), and the guns aren't especially rare. Without a picture it's practically impossible to see the context in which "92" is used, but, if it's a metric caliber designation (which the Brits did not used in WWII), it's most likely "9.2." Again: Pictures, please. __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE

August 29, 2015, 10:55 PM	#11
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	The pics help, but a pic of the whole revolver would also help. My original surmise, based on the info you gave, that the gun is an H&R Defender .38 S&W is incorrect. From the pics it appears that you have a large frame .32 S&W revolver with some type of plastic grips. The caliber stamped on the barrel is not "92," but "32" with the "3" being badly mis-stamped so as to look like a "9." Is there any writing on the top of the barrel? It could be an Iver Johnson as well. Do the grips have an owl head logo? __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE

August 29, 2015, 10:50 AM	#3
Wisesfour Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2015 Posts: 14	Thank you

August 29, 2015, 05:00 PM	#6
Wisesfour Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2015 Posts: 14	I'm working on trying to post pics. So far the files are too big for the site to allow.

August 29, 2015, 05:02 PM	#7
Wisesfour Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2015 Posts: 14	image.jpg

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August 29, 2015, 11:28 PM	#12
Bill DeShivs Senior Member Join Date: April 7, 2006 Posts: 10,981	Pretty sure it's not a S&W. __________________ Bill DeShivs, Master Cutler www.billdeshivs.com

August 29, 2015, 11:33 PM	#13
James K Member In Memoriam Join Date: March 17, 1999 Posts: 24,383	That is not an S&W revolver of any kind, though it is chambered for the .32 S&W cartridge. (It is called that because it was developed for S&W and first used by them, but dozens of revolver makers, large and small, made guns for it.) Both Iver Johnson and Harrington & Richardson made revolvers of that type in the U.S., but that gun does not appear to be from either company. If there are no markings on the top or the other side of the barrel, I would suspect Spanish manufacture. Jim

August 30, 2015, 09:59 AM	#14
natman Senior Member Join Date: June 24, 2008 Posts: 2,606	It looks like there's an H&R logo at the top of the grip in the second picture.

August 30, 2015, 01:32 PM	#15
Wisesfour Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2015 Posts: 14	It does have the H&R stamp on the grip. This is the pic of the top of the gun. image.jpg

August 30, 2015, 01:54 PM	#16
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August 30, 2015, 02:00 PM	#19
Wisesfour Junior Member Join Date: August 29, 2015 Posts: 14	Thank you for all the input. Appreciate any information as it was in my grandfather's collection. Sorry for the size of the pics. Hope it helps.

August 30, 2015, 06:20 PM	#20
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	I was used by H&R in 1948. __________________ Ron James

August 31, 2015, 12:03 PM	#22
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	Only when I laugh I think I must have crossed over from another post, disregard the "I". However, I see no British marking of any type so it was not used by the British police nor is there any evidence it has ever left the U.S. It is simply a H&R revolver in 32 S&W caliber made between 1905 and 1939 ( in 1940 H&R added a letter prefix to the serial number ). __________________ Ron James Last edited by RJay; August 31, 2015 at 12:29 PM.

August 31, 2015, 12:11 PM	#23
gyvel Senior Member Join Date: August 30, 2009 Location: Northern AZ Posts: 7,172	So, basically, I was close with my first guess of an H&R Defender. I guess what he has is a large frame in .32 S&W. First time I have ever heard the designation of "MK II," however. __________________ As always, YMMV. __________________________________________ MIIAA SIFE

August 31, 2015, 12:57 PM	#24
RJay Senior Member Join Date: November 2, 2005 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,936	I think somehow he has it confused with one of the British Webley MK II, perhaps because it is also a break top. __________________ Ron James

August 31, 2015, 01:03 PM	#25
hartcreek Junior member Join Date: April 22, 2014 Location: Washington Posts: 1,549	I hope you do not need major money for something important as you are going to be lucky to get much more then $100 for that H&R.