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Old April 15, 2017, 11:44 AM   #1
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light loads for deer

I'm looking to make a light load for youth hunters. around the age of 7 I have 3 different rifles to use I have a savage 30-30 a Mossberg 243 and a marlin 7mm-08. I'm thinking 243 Nosler partition 85gr at around 2600 fps for the 7mm-08 I'm thinking 120gr Nosler BT at 2600fps and 150gr interlock at 1900 fps for the 30-30 all shot would be under 100 yds I just want something that will have a very light recoil but still be good on deer
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Old April 15, 2017, 01:03 PM   #2
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IMO H4895 is a nice powder that should get you the results that you are looking for:

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Old April 15, 2017, 01:09 PM   #3
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Whole thing is more about how well the rifle fits a 7 year old. And if he can hold the thing still. Who made the bullet doesn't matter at all.
An 85 grain .243 at around 2600 fps would be seriously under minimum with any powder. So will a 120 7mm-08.
The .30-30 with either 4198 powder will be safe though. 1900 fps is roughly start load with the H4198. Mid range with the IMR.
Any of 'em with a cast bullet vs a jacketed would be ok. Cast bullets will kill deer with no fuss and the felt recoil is generally less. Just ask Davy Crockett or Buffalo Bill. snicker.
However, if the rifle is too big(or too short) it'll hurt to shoot so Junior won't want to sight in(that he must do himself) and practice on a 9" pie plate, off hand, at 100, until he can hit it every time.
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Old April 15, 2017, 08:19 PM   #4
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I agree with the 4895. In my 308, I use 42gr of H4895 under 150 Corelokts for 2518 and 1/2" groups.
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Old April 16, 2017, 09:29 AM   #5
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A 243 with normal loads, or maybe just a bit on the light side will not have enough recoil to be an issue and still have enough power for any deer. Don't over think this, you could just use factory 243 loads and be good.

I wouldn't even consider 7-08 or 30-30. Real numbers from a factory 30-30 load aren't much more than 1900 fps from a 20" barrel and would have more recoil than factory 243. And be less effective on game.
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Old April 20, 2017, 01:11 PM   #6
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Last buck season I wanted to bring a backup rifle, the problem was I didn't have a deer load for anything. I remembed that I had a box of s&b 100 gn partition rounds for my 243 that I had never used.
I grabbed them up and took the rifle out to zero them in. On my first shot I thought it was a squibb because it was very quiet and the recoil felt like a .223 at best. Ended up shooting a 3/4" group at almost 2700 fps and has the least amount of recoil I've ever felt in a large rifle.

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Old April 21, 2017, 09:43 AM   #7
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light loads for deer

I agree that I would stick to the 243 only! An 85gr Sierra GameKing with a light charge placed BEHIND the shoulder will bad medicine for deer and make a great round for a youth hunter. Get them plenty of time on the trigger and comfortable placing the bullet tucked in behind the shoulder. Frequent range trips with a smaller string of shots will be a much better experience than one or two trips firing 30 or 40 rounds each time.

Also depending on your local regs, a 223 or 22-250 might be good choice for a 7 year old. Heck I know guys still taking deer each year with a 22 Hornet soft point to the neck.
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Old April 21, 2017, 11:04 AM   #8
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I'm looking to make a light load for youth hunters. around the age of 7 I have 3 different rifles to use I have a savage 30-30 a Mossberg 243 and a marlin 7mm-08.
Any of these rifles modified to fit an "around age 7" shooter?? No matter the recoil level, if the rifle is too big (particularly the stock) they won't be able to use it properly. Also consider the fact that a standard "light" deer rifle, could be close to 10% of the child's body weight. Add a scope and its even more.

How well could you manage a deer rifle that weighed 18lbs with a stock 4-5 inches too long for you???

The loads you are considering will all certainly kill deer, BUT the lighter you go, the more critical it becomes to hit the right spot with a bullet properly built for that spot.

Check you game laws, as well. some places have minimum energy requirements as well as minimum caliber and weight requirements.

One state I know allowed a .25-35 Win for deer, but only the 117gr bullet met all the legal requirements, lighter bullets in that round fell short of the required energy level. (Note, game law minimum energy requirements are NOT the minimum needed to kill a deer, they are a rule of the game)

Also be certain you aren't violating any regs about age, licenses, tags, supervision, etc. These vary widely.

Personally, while I don't think 7 is too young to be introduced to shooting, I think its a bit too young to handle a regular (adult size) rifle, no matter how light the load. Scale the gun to the child (size & weight) or let them grow up a bit more, and you'll have better results, I think.
All else being equal (and it almost never is) bigger bullets tend to work better.
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Old April 21, 2017, 11:07 AM   #9
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Hodgdon says their 4895 is safe to load to 60% of full power.

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Old April 22, 2017, 08:39 AM   #10
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Olympus are the .30-30, 7-08, and .243 your only choice. If so I'd use the .243 or 7-08 with the bullets you mentioned and H4895 powder, as already mentioned Hodgdon has youth load data USE THAT. You'll just have to shoot them both and choose which one is more accurate.

If you have other options the 6.5 Grendel or 7.62x39 are great choices for a youth hunter or recoil sensitive. Hornady makes excellent brass cased ammo for both, its accurate, affordable, and loaded with SST bullets.
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Old April 23, 2017, 12:30 PM   #11
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First CF rifle my grandson will shoot will probably be my 30-06. 180gr cast load with 13.0 grs Red Dot held against the primer pocket with a quarter sheet of toilet paper. Shoot's about like a 22 rifle, maybe not that much recoil.

Loading down the cartridges you said with jacketed bullet's might be a mistake for a 7 yr old. Make it fun, no recoil till later on in life.

BTW, I got 1700fps from that load, it will kill a deer I'm told by guy's that have shot deer with cast bullet's.
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Old April 23, 2017, 01:59 PM   #12
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Thanks for all the input guy I will probably go with the 243 loaded a little light like I said all the shots will be within 100yds. Now I just am wondering if a 85 gr. Bullet will make much of a difference in recoil over the 100gr. And if I do use the 85gr should I use something like a partition or would a standard cup and core bullet be fine at lower velocitys.
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Old April 23, 2017, 02:14 PM   #13
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A lot of that difference will depend on how big your deer are. Western Mulies are different than puny Florida deer. Recoil will still be very stout for "an almost 7 year old"; coupled with a too long stock and the felt recoil will be even greater.
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Old April 23, 2017, 06:29 PM   #14
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In Oregon, where I live, a hunter has to be at least 12 to hunt Deer. Other states may vary, so check your regulations.
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