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October 11, 2012, 08:04 AM | #26 |
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All my factory ammo (and handloads I used to put together) go bang when I fire them and most all gave decent accuracy.
And all the ammo fired in my cheapo Hi-Point 45 ACP pistol have gone bang also. You don't need an expensive handgun as many say. When I was first learning how to handload and not to swift I overloaded some .243's that went "phffft" when I shot them. I only shot one (had neck cracking, primer flattening and all the other nasty signs) and pulled all the bullets on the others to restart all over again. It was totally my error. I was very careful after that. |
October 11, 2012, 08:33 AM | #27 |
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Now Im hearing and read some of the reports linked earlier .
Does all this have more to do with older military ammo ? Or are we all just useing mil-surp cus that's were the reports originated ? Are the newer powders of today just as likey to be compromized long term as the older powders .( all things being equal ) Do all manufacurers of NATO ammo use the same gun powder and are the powders used today the same as the powders in older NATO lots . ALL things being the equal . If I had 60 year old mil-surp ammo and 60 year old commercial ammo . Would each one be just as likely as the other to be compromizied . Same question but looking in to the future . If I bought new production Federal lake city and Reminton UMC today ( I just picked some brands not sure If it matters ) . In 60 years would it be just as likely they both would be compromized the same . Can all of the above questions have one answer . ( Generally all gun powders are made up of the same properties there fore they are all subject to the same issues ) .
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October 11, 2012, 09:00 AM | #28 |
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Ive shot thousands of rounds of .223 through my Saiga 98% of which is steel cased and I've never ever had a failure of any kind in that weapon other then one issue of case head seperation using that reloaded ammo they sell at dicks.
I have had failue of winchester 12ga target loads from walmart (in several 12ga guns). and a few failures of .38 spl here and there in my model 37 (mostly remington). Ive never had a failure from cheapo russian 9x18 with somewhere around 1500 rounds downrange. Never had a failure to fire from 9x19 of any kind never had any issues whatsoever with surplus 7.62x54r or any other centerfire rifle round
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October 11, 2012, 04:05 PM | #29 | |||||
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The only information in the public domain, for the time being, are the old military reports. Quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smokeless_powder I am certain there are differences to the “herbs and spices” of modern powders compared to older powders, but the base is the same “chicken”. http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20...wder/index.htm Quote:
Lake City is a Government owned and contractor operated facility. Whatever American contractor wins the bid uses whatever powder, primer, they want, be it from within their company, or from a foreign supplier, as along as the source is not forbidden. There are "buy American clauses", but what is "American" has been manipulated by Corporations. Military specifications are now performance specs, not the product specs used way back when. As long as the pressure curve, velocity, shelf life, etc, meet the performance requirements, it is up to the contractor to figure out which propellants and primers to use. This was not true back in the days when the Army ran their own Arsenals. There were a limited number of propellants used in US ammunition , all of domestic manufacture, and the product specification could require a specific propellant. Briefings on NATO ammunition can be found on the web, basically the ammunition is to be interchangeable between countries. What powders NATO countries use is up to them. http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2011smallar...Pellegrino.pdf Newly manufactured ammunition by commercial outfits, such as Federal, Winchester, Remington, powders they use is determined by what maximizes their profit. These companies will purchase out sourced powders if it is cheaper than buying from their powder division. These companies change powders and suppliers all the time. But, military ammunition and commercial ammunition is the same basic chemistry of nitrocellulose (single base) or nitrocellulose with nitroglycerine (double base). Quote:
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Thanks alot for the detailed answers . Seeing those corroded bullets you posted got me thinking . Man , you would never be able to tell that was happening inside the case .
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Thanks again Metal
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October 14, 2012, 08:52 AM | #31 |
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I believe that the Hodgdon Powder Company started by selling WWII surplus bulk powder stored in boxcars for 25+/- years. They re-packaged it and it was about as good as the day it was made. It probably wasn't exposed to extreme heat, however.
I have a few cans of powder that I bought more than 25 years ago and it's still good, but it's been stored in cool, dry conditions. |
October 14, 2012, 09:32 AM | #32 |
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I store my ammo in my home, and it never gets over 90 degrees let alone 150 degrees. I have shot lots of surplus 06 ammo probably from Korea, or WWII with out any issues other than cleaning up after using corrosive primers.
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