S&W and the HUD deal

riverdog · August 12, 2001, 06:28 PM

http://www.jointogether.org/gv/wire/...ject_ID=545249

Looks to me as though S&W may be getting ready to void the agreement or rather memorandum of understanding using the current administrations terminology. It's about time ...

Marko Kloos · August 12, 2001, 07:00 PM

That's all fine and good, but I won't buy a new *&* until the agreement has been officially renounced by the company. If and when that happens, I'll happily buy new *&* products again, but until I see something in print to that effect, I'll stick to used ones.

In the last six months I have literally spent thousands of dollars on fine, used *&* revolvers, $3500 by conservative estimate. My shopping list includes a Mountain Gun, a 296 in .44 Special, a .32 H&R Mag snubbie, a Mountain Gun Light, a 610 in 10mm, and a few others. I'd be more than happy to shell out hard currency and have my gun shop order them new, but as far as things stand right now, I'll have to continue searching the gun shows.

I visited two gun shows this weekend where many of the above were offered NIB. I had the cash in pocket, but I passed them up in favor of used models.

As soon as they publically renounce the agreement, I'll be placing an order with my local gun shop that will keep two *&* gunsmiths paid for a month.

Waitone · August 12, 2001, 08:16 PM

While talking with my friendly gunstore shooters I was told the local S&W rep was in and to this day does not think the company did anything wrong. An apology was not necessary since nothing was done that deserved an apology.

I am gratified HUD is ignoring the "agreement." That is not the same as S&W actively taking the legal actions to challenge or void the "agreement." Once again it is easier to let something happen than it is to make something happen.

S&W is deluding itself by thinking they are out of the woods just because a criminal/governmental organization has backed off.

I'm in the market for a short snout revolver, but it will not be a S&W.

**Mike Irwin** · August 12, 2001, 08:28 PM

Lots of beating around the bush (no pun intended) to say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what will happen when the next Democrat occupies the White House and the agreement has NOT been voided.

Until S&W FORMALLY, for all the world to hear, renounces the agreement, they can go pound sand.

**Mike Irwin** · August 12, 2001, 08:29 PM

Waitone,

Wow. I'd like to meet that rep.

So I could spit in his face the way he's spitting on not only my rights, but his job.

What a jackass.

riverdog · August 12, 2001, 09:08 PM

I was interested in the statement:
"... Smith & Wesson said the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), the agency assigned to oversee the agreement, is not following through on the deal.

The company has not had any contact with HUD officials, and it remains listed as a defendant in many gun lawsuits. ..."

To me that indicates a move on S&W's part to distance themselves from the agreement, giving them grounds to void the agreement based on breech by the government -- we'll see. Could be wishful thinking though. As others stated, until they make the official announcement nothing changes.

lendringser -- like you, I've purchased a bunch of S&W's from the previously owned market. Currently have six previously owned S&W's. I've never owned a new S&W, what's it like

(referencing your "new" M-13)

August 12, 2001, 06:28 PM	#1
riverdog Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Posts: 824	S&W and the HUD deal http://www.jointogether.org/gv/wire/...ject_ID=545249 Looks to me as though S&W may be getting ready to void the agreement or rather memorandum of understanding using the current administrations terminology. It's about time ...

August 12, 2001, 07:00 PM	#2
Marko Kloos Senior Member Join Date: January 12, 2000 Location: Enfield, NH Posts: 5,521	That's all fine and good, but I won't buy a new & until the agreement has been officially renounced by the company. If and when that happens, I'll happily buy new & products again, but until I see something in print to that effect, I'll stick to used ones. In the last six months I have literally spent thousands of dollars on fine, used & revolvers, $3500 by conservative estimate. My shopping list includes a Mountain Gun, a 296 in .44 Special, a .32 H&R Mag snubbie, a Mountain Gun Light, a 610 in 10mm, and a few others. I'd be more than happy to shell out hard currency and have my gun shop order them new, but as far as things stand right now, I'll have to continue searching the gun shows. I visited two gun shows this weekend where many of the above were offered NIB. I had the cash in pocket, but I passed them up in favor of used models. As soon as they publically renounce the agreement, I'll be placing an order with my local gun shop that will keep two & gunsmiths paid for a month. __________________ "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free." --A.E. Van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher the munchkin wrangler.

August 12, 2001, 08:16 PM	#3
Waitone Senior Member Join Date: March 19, 2000 Posts: 2,904	While talking with my friendly gunstore shooters I was told the local S&W rep was in and to this day does not think the company did anything wrong. An apology was not necessary since nothing was done that deserved an apology. I am gratified HUD is ignoring the "agreement." That is not the same as S&W actively taking the legal actions to challenge or void the "agreement." Once again it is easier to let something happen than it is to make something happen. S&W is deluding itself by thinking they are out of the woods just because a criminal/governmental organization has backed off. I'm in the market for a short snout revolver, but it will not be a S&W. __________________ "Given a choice between good intentions and human nature, I'll go with human nature every time."--Me, 2002.

August 12, 2001, 08:28 PM	#4
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Lots of beating around the bush (no pun intended) to say ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about what will happen when the next Democrat occupies the White House and the agreement has NOT been voided. Until S&W FORMALLY, for all the world to hear, renounces the agreement, they can go pound sand. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

August 12, 2001, 08:29 PM	#5
Mike Irwin Staff Join Date: April 13, 2000 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 41,380	Waitone, Wow. I'd like to meet that rep. So I could spit in his face the way he's spitting on not only my rights, but his job. What a jackass. __________________ "The gift which I am sending you is called a dog, and is in fact the most precious and valuable possession of mankind" -Theodorus Gaza Baby Jesus cries when the fat redneck doesn't have military-grade firepower.

August 12, 2001, 09:08 PM	#6
riverdog Senior Member Join Date: August 11, 2000 Posts: 824	I was interested in the statement: "... Smith & Wesson said the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), the agency assigned to oversee the agreement, is not following through on the deal. The company has not had any contact with HUD officials, and it remains listed as a defendant in many gun lawsuits. ..." To me that indicates a move on S&W's part to distance themselves from the agreement, giving them grounds to void the agreement based on breech by the government -- we'll see. Could be wishful thinking though. As others stated, until they make the official announcement nothing changes. lendringser -- like you, I've purchased a bunch of S&W's from the previously owned market. Currently have six previously owned S&W's. I've never owned a new S&W, what's it like (referencing your "new" M-13) Last edited by riverdog; August 12, 2001 at 10:35 PM.

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