130gr JHP HST load

SQUAREKNOT · June 30, 2020, 09:58 PM

Midway is having a sale on some blemished bullets. I bought 600 130gr HST bullets. These are the bullets used for 38sp. HST rounds. This bullet seats
flush with the end of the case like a wad cutter. I'm looking for load data
and/or powder recommendations. BTW the cost was only $16.00/100 and free freight it you buy over $50.00
TIA

**Unclenick** · July 2, 2020, 10:32 AM

I don't know the length of the bullet, so I hesitate to recommend anything, though it will probably turn out that something like 231/HP38 or possibly even Power Pistol will work. Too many unknowns, otherwise.

SQUAREKNOT · July 2, 2020, 01:50 PM

Thanks for the info. I had it in my mind I needed to load these bullets just like the HST 38spl ammo. The factory bullets are loaded flush with the end of the case. Loading them like that would be the same as making a bomb!
The actual bullet measures 0.610 BTW and they have a cannelure. I just wasn't thinking at all. Sorry to waste your time.

**Unclenick** · July 3, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Even loaded flush, they are no worse than a wadcutter and are in that same length range. QuickLOAD thinks Power Pistol is one of the best choices, giving loads a little over 3.5 grains for just under 1000 fps from a 6" barrel. This does not take barrel/cylinder gap loss into consideration.

SQUAREKNOT · July 3, 2020, 07:49 PM

Thank a lot! I will think a bit more. I can check the vel and see if I'm on the correct track
Again, thanks

Mr.RevolverGuy · July 5, 2020, 11:22 AM

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Unfortunately I have not loaded up any for 38 special yet. But if you start using them in 357magnum I did work some up for that.

https://youtu.be/3Gr4mW7SLdI

Radny97 · July 5, 2020, 11:43 AM

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I bought some from midway too. I have a hot 158 gr SWC load that i use. 6.5 grains of HS-6 and a magnum primer in 38 special. I decided with that lighter bullet but being seated deeper in the case it’s probably about the same in terms of pressure. I loaded some of these 130 gr jacketed wad cutters with 6.5 gr of HS-6 and a mag primer in a 38 special case. And will shoot them from a stout 357 mag gun and run them through the chrono. If velocities exceed 1000 fps I’ll back the charge down. If not, I’ll run that load.

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SQUAREKNOT · July 5, 2020, 08:20 PM

Radny97, I hope you post the info. I believe the expansion of factory from
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/rev...cs-test/#38spl
2" barrel gave 13.0" penetration and 824fps and .73" expansion
4" barrel gave 14.1" " " " " 854fps and .71 expansion
I'm going to guess that faster vel. may hurt expansion? Just a guess
but maybe the bullets start shedding pedals if you push them too fast?
It would seem even at low vel. these bullets leave more than a big welt

Radny97 · July 5, 2020, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SQUAREKNOT

Radny97, I hope you post the info. I believe the expansion of factory from
https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/rev...cs-test/#38spl
2" barrel gave 13.0" penetration and 824fps and .73" expansion
4" barrel gave 14.1" " " " " 854fps and .71 expansion
I'm going to guess that faster vel. may hurt expansion? Just a guess
but maybe the bullets start shedding pedals if you push them too fast?
It would seem even at low vel. these bullets leave more than a big welt

I think the greater velocity may actually result in greater expansion and less penetration. I’ll keep you posted on this thread, but it may take some time. I’ve got a few loading projects on the bench right now.

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Radny97 · July 8, 2020, 01:36 PM

Well i went and tested the 6.5 grains of HS6 load today. It’s too hot. From a four inch barrel i got 1170 fps and barely penetrated three water jugs with violent expansion and jacket separation. Sticky extraction. I’ll try 6.0 grains and run it again. Accuracy was great.
With the level of expansion I’m guessing this will be an excellent bullet once i get it down to 1000 fps from a snubnose.

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SQUAREKNOT · July 8, 2020, 10:09 PM

The sweet spot must be below 1000fps. I haven't loaded any yet as my
stuff is at work (so the wife doesn't know) and the heat and humidity right now
I think would effect the ammo,s life span. When I do I will post it.
Thank you for the information!

SQUAREKNOT · November 1, 2020, 10:22 PM

I use a Ruger 4" barrel GP100 and a S&W 642 with a 1-7/8" barrel.
I loaded 10 rounds of each load. All bullseye, WSP primers and Speer 130gr HST BULLETS
10rd 4.5grs bullseye @1.47" OAL crimped on the cannelure=840fps W/RUGER 4" barrel
10rd 4.8grs bullseye @1.47" OAL crimped on the cannelure=899fps W/4" RUGER barrel
NOTE THE NEXT TWO RESULTS HAD THE BULLET SEATED ALMOST FLUSH WITH THE END OF THE CASE

6rds 4.0grs bullseye @1.173" OAL and crimped with the bullet end just out of the end of the case. The 4" barrel gave 960fps

4rds 4.0grs bullseye @1.173" OAL and crimped with the bullet end just past the end of the case. The 1-7/8" barrel gave 887fps WITH A S&W 642
There was zero signs of pressure on any rounds.
This is pretty limited as a test especially the last test with 2 guns but the vel
seemed more consistent with the bullets seated deep. It was 36 degrees out so I didn't take my time but all loads were accurate
ALL ARE 38SPL LOADS

Radny97 · November 3, 2020, 12:22 AM

My latest test had perfect expansion and penetration into water jugs at 900 fps. That seems to be the sweet spot.

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SQUAREKNOT · November 3, 2020, 09:16 AM

What was your load? I was using WSP and Bullseye and 38 brass.

Radny97 · November 4, 2020, 02:12 AM

I ended up with 5.4 of HS-6

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SQUAREKNOT · November 5, 2020, 04:04 PM

Are you loading .357 brass or 38spl brass.
All mine are for 38spl brass. Also what if your oal?

Radny97 · November 6, 2020, 01:58 AM

38 special brass federal headstamp and seating below the case mouth like federal does it

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SQUAREKNOT · November 17, 2020, 03:22 PM

I always use 50 round loading blocks. I look at all the cases with a flash light
after they are charged. First time I ever found a double charge. An entire row of 10.
Safety is everything have a procedure and use it.

June 30, 2020, 09:58 PM	#1
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	130gr JHP HST load Midway is having a sale on some blemished bullets. I bought 600 130gr HST bullets. These are the bullets used for 38sp. HST rounds. This bullet seats flush with the end of the case like a wad cutter. I'm looking for load data and/or powder recommendations. BTW the cost was only $16.00/100 and free freight it you buy over $50.00 TIA

July 2, 2020, 10:32 AM	#2
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	I don't know the length of the bullet, so I hesitate to recommend anything, though it will probably turn out that something like 231/HP38 or possibly even Power Pistol will work. Too many unknowns, otherwise. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

July 3, 2020, 11:17 AM	#4
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	CAUTION: The following post includes load data generated by calculation in QuickLOAD (QL) or Gordon Reloading Tool (GRT) software and is based on particular powder lots, the assumption the primer is as mild as possible, and assumptions about component, chamber and gun geometry that may not correspond well to what you have. Such data should be approached by working up from published starting loads. USE THIS DATA AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL, nor QL's author or distributor nor GRT's author assumes any liability for any damage or injury resulting from the use of this information or information derived from it. Even loaded flush, they are no worse than a wadcutter and are in that same length range. QuickLOAD thinks Power Pistol is one of the best choices, giving loads a little over 3.5 grains for just under 1000 fps from a 6" barrel. This does not take barrel/cylinder gap loss into consideration. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

July 5, 2020, 11:22 AM	#6
Mr.RevolverGuy Senior Member Join Date: February 24, 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 988	CAUTION: The following post (or a page linked to) includes loading data not covered by currently published sources of tested data for this cartridge (QuickLOAD or Gordon's Reloading Tool data is not professionally tested). USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL assumes any liability for any damage or injury resulting from the use of this information. Unfortunately I have not loaded up any for 38 special yet. But if you start using them in 357magnum I did work some up for that. https://youtu.be/3Gr4mW7SLdI __________________ Mr.Revolverguy http://www.dayattherange.com Firearms Reviewed and Reported On: An unbiased opinion with real world use.

July 5, 2020, 11:43 AM	#7
Radny97 Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2015 Posts: 1,021	130gr JHP HST load CAUTION: The following post (or a page linked to) includes loading data not covered by currently published sources of tested data for this cartridge (QuickLOAD or Gordon's Reloading Tool data is not professionally tested). USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The Firing Line, nor the staff of TFL assumes any liability for any damage or injury resulting from the use of this information. I bought some from midway too. I have a hot 158 gr SWC load that i use. 6.5 grains of HS-6 and a magnum primer in 38 special. I decided with that lighter bullet but being seated deeper in the case it’s probably about the same in terms of pressure. I loaded some of these 130 gr jacketed wad cutters with 6.5 gr of HS-6 and a mag primer in a 38 special case. And will shoot them from a stout 357 mag gun and run them through the chrono. If velocities exceed 1000 fps I’ll back the charge down. If not, I’ll run that load. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

July 2, 2020, 01:50 PM	#3
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	I was having a senior moment. Thanks for the info. I had it in my mind I needed to load these bullets just like the HST 38spl ammo. The factory bullets are loaded flush with the end of the case. Loading them like that would be the same as making a bomb! The actual bullet measures 0.610 BTW and they have a cannelure. I just wasn't thinking at all. Sorry to waste your time. Last edited by SQUAREKNOT; July 2, 2020 at 06:53 PM.

July 3, 2020, 07:49 PM	#5
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	Thank a lot! I will think a bit more. I can check the vel and see if I'm on the correct track Again, thanks

July 5, 2020, 08:20 PM	#8
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	This is getting interesting Radny97, I hope you post the info. I believe the expansion of factory from https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/rev...cs-test/#38spl 2" barrel gave 13.0" penetration and 824fps and .73" expansion 4" barrel gave 14.1" " " " " 854fps and .71 expansion I'm going to guess that faster vel. may hurt expansion? Just a guess but maybe the bullets start shedding pedals if you push them too fast? It would seem even at low vel. these bullets leave more than a big welt

July 8, 2020, 01:36 PM	#10
Radny97 Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2015 Posts: 1,021	Well i went and tested the 6.5 grains of HS6 load today. It’s too hot. From a four inch barrel i got 1170 fps and barely penetrated three water jugs with violent expansion and jacket separation. Sticky extraction. I’ll try 6.0 grains and run it again. Accuracy was great. With the level of expansion I’m guessing this will be an excellent bullet once i get it down to 1000 fps from a snubnose. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

July 8, 2020, 10:09 PM	#11
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	I think the vel. range is on the lower side to work well The sweet spot must be below 1000fps. I haven't loaded any yet as my stuff is at work (so the wife doesn't know) and the heat and humidity right now I think would effect the ammo,s life span. When I do I will post it. Thank you for the information!

November 1, 2020, 10:22 PM	#12
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	Finally got to try some 130gr HST reloads I use a Ruger 4" barrel GP100 and a S&W 642 with a 1-7/8" barrel. I loaded 10 rounds of each load. All bullseye, WSP primers and Speer 130gr HST BULLETS 10rd 4.5grs bullseye @1.47" OAL crimped on the cannelure=840fps W/RUGER 4" barrel 10rd 4.8grs bullseye @1.47" OAL crimped on the cannelure=899fps W/4" RUGER barrel NOTE THE NEXT TWO RESULTS HAD THE BULLET SEATED ALMOST FLUSH WITH THE END OF THE CASE 6rds 4.0grs bullseye @1.173" OAL and crimped with the bullet end just out of the end of the case. The 4" barrel gave 960fps 4rds 4.0grs bullseye @1.173" OAL and crimped with the bullet end just past the end of the case. The 1-7/8" barrel gave 887fps WITH A S&W 642 There was zero signs of pressure on any rounds. This is pretty limited as a test especially the last test with 2 guns but the vel seemed more consistent with the bullets seated deep. It was 36 degrees out so I didn't take my time but all loads were accurate ALL ARE 38SPL LOADS Last edited by SQUAREKNOT; November 2, 2020 at 08:32 AM. Reason: THESE ARE 38SPL LOADS

November 3, 2020, 12:22 AM	#13
Radny97 Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2015 Posts: 1,021	My latest test had perfect expansion and penetration into water jugs at 900 fps. That seems to be the sweet spot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

November 3, 2020, 09:16 AM	#14
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	What cartridge, 38spl or 357? What was your load? I was using WSP and Bullseye and 38 brass.

November 4, 2020, 02:12 AM	#15
Radny97 Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2015 Posts: 1,021	I ended up with 5.4 of HS-6 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

November 5, 2020, 04:04 PM	#16
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	QUESTION Are you loading .357 brass or 38spl brass. All mine are for 38spl brass. Also what if your oal? Last edited by SQUAREKNOT; November 5, 2020 at 04:09 PM.

November 6, 2020, 01:58 AM	#17
Radny97 Senior Member Join Date: July 8, 2015 Posts: 1,021	38 special brass federal headstamp and seating below the case mouth like federal does it Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

November 17, 2020, 03:22 PM	#18
SQUAREKNOT Senior Member Join Date: July 16, 2008 Posts: 263	This load had a lesson for me I always use 50 round loading blocks. I look at all the cases with a flash light after they are charged. First time I ever found a double charge. An entire row of 10. Safety is everything have a procedure and use it.