First Black Powder Revolver Suggestions - Page 2

RC20 · June 21, 2023, 04:38 PM

"Armi San Paolo "

Yes, 44 Caliber New Army and it seems to be a well made gun with smooth action along the lines of a S&W.

Just for &^% and giggles I am tempted. I have some balls stashed for it (from my wife). I would just need powder and primers.

I might just load one at a time and skip the goop in the ends of the cylinder with multiple rounds.

Doc Hoy · June 21, 2023, 07:17 PM

I swore off bore butter some years ago because:

a) It does not stand up well to heat.
b) It smells like a brothel in Pascagoula, Mississippi.

I made up my own bullet lube and patch lube using lard and beeswax. I vary the proportions depending upon its final purpose.

Okay. Here are the nails and cross. Let the crucifixion begin.

bobn · June 21, 2023, 09:32 PM

as a former axle grease user (not proud of it) i think i might give high temp brake caliper grease a try. doesnt run, stink, and stays put....hmm

armoredman · June 21, 2023, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doc Hoy

b) It smells like a brothel in Pascagoula, Mississippi.

I've been to brothels in the Philippines, Korea, and other, less sordid, places, but never Pascagoula...that must be an interesting place, indeed. I do have to say the smell of BB never bothers me, as COVID took my sense of smell back in 2019, and it only seems to return right when my dog is doing his business.

Nodak1858 · June 22, 2023, 09:55 PM

Last couple of times i took mine out I skipped greasing the chambers or using wads. Really didn't notice much of a difference clean up wise or performance wise.

RC20 · June 24, 2023, 11:15 PM

Curious what the reputation of Armi San Paolo is.

Metal Frame not brass.

Doc Hoy · June 25, 2023, 02:21 PM

ASP had a better reputation for smoothness and reliability. I think (but have not confirmed) the the internal parts are harder than ASM. I own probably four times as many ASMs as ASPs and I they are fine. I just think that the action on my ASPs inspire more confidence.

Photos are of an 1858 which I acquired as a junker. I shortened the barrel and loading lever and made a sight and lever catch. Blued the pistol. The grips are Elk antler sheds given to me by a kind sole on this form. I did this work about 15 years ago. It was my first attempt at cold bluing.

RC20 · June 25, 2023, 05:31 PM

Thank you. I had not given her pistol any thought until I saw the topic in this section.

Confirms my feel on her gun that its a pretty decent quality one from the feel of the action.

I suspect I will look for caps and powder and try it out this summer. I can't say I gave the first one any chance, just messy.

Anyone know if the people back in the day actually put grease over the bullets? I just don't see that as viable in a dusty or wind blown environment.

I have noted the shaved lead ring if the balls she bought are large enough.

Probably single load rather than the goop. Or load 3 with chamber skip.

44caliberkid · June 25, 2023, 09:09 PM

Hey Doc, nice pistola.

Doc Hoy · June 26, 2023, 03:53 AM

... for about three years, and I never had a chain fire. The only chain fire I have ever had was on a C.O.M. 1851 Sheriff (when I was still greasing chambers). This event occurred not at the front of the cylinder but at the nipple end. Loose fitting cap lit off the next chamber. Pulled the arbor loose (brass frame).

...and thanks .44CK.

BillM · June 28, 2023, 10:17 AM

Late to the party as usual---but if the OP hasn't decided on model to buy yet
I'll toss out a suggestion. 1861 Navy. All the "advancements" of the '60 Army
in a 36 cal.

Doc Hoy · June 28, 2023, 03:38 PM

... Euroarms, a highly regarded importer/manufacturer, was functionally synonymous with ASP. I have a Rodgers and Spencer in .44 from Euroarms. I like it. Fit and finish are top drawer. Smooth action.

Hawg · June 28, 2023, 05:06 PM

Euroarms is ASP. They just changed the name when they moved the factory.

Doc Hoy · June 28, 2023, 09:07 PM

Trust you to come up with additional details.

My R and S has an AF date code (1980). No DGG marking and the maker is Euroarms America. The importer is Hawes Firearms in LA Calif. The frame is marked with Utica NY and I think that is an attempt to mimmick the original since Rodgers and Spencer operated in Willowvale, NY, a close suburb of Utica. I might note that the finish on this Rodgers and Spencer (frame) is a barely perceptible blood red tint to the bluing.

I have a Sheriff Model 1851 Colt from ASP with the DGG emblem but no Euroarms marking. Date Code is XXX or 1974.

I cannot find the actual first operation date of the Concesio manufacturing plant. Concesio (roughly translating to "concession" or "concession place") is an industrial section of Brescia.

Ricklin · July 4, 2023, 10:54 AM

Hawes was a big outfit, relatively. They also imported a line of SAA look alikes from JP Sauer and Sohn.. Sold a darn near mint one in .357 to my little brother, he loves it. Had a heck of a time getting the Cyl. base pin out. Plenty of time and Kroil did not budge it. Rather than full disassembly to knock it out I used a pair of electronic nippers to gently lift the pin by closing the jaws, worked perfectly W/O marring the frame.

Doc Hoy · July 4, 2023, 09:20 PM

I like the idea of the nippers. In my mind's eye, I can see it working.

June 21, 2023, 04:38 PM	#26
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,000	"Armi San Paolo " Yes, 44 Caliber New Army and it seems to be a well made gun with smooth action along the lines of a S&W. Just for &^% and giggles I am tempted. I have some balls stashed for it (from my wife). I would just need powder and primers. I might just load one at a time and skip the goop in the ends of the cylinder with multiple rounds. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

June 21, 2023, 07:17 PM	#27
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,437	I respectfully ask that you don't crucify me but... I swore off bore butter some years ago because: a) It does not stand up well to heat. b) It smells like a brothel in Pascagoula, Mississippi. I made up my own bullet lube and patch lube using lard and beeswax. I vary the proportions depending upon its final purpose. Okay. Here are the nails and cross. Let the crucifixion begin. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

June 22, 2023, 09:55 PM	#30
Nodak1858 Senior Member Join Date: September 7, 2009 Location: N. Dakota Posts: 431	Last couple of times i took mine out I skipped greasing the chambers or using wads. Really didn't notice much of a difference clean up wise or performance wise. __________________ We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the entire works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true.

June 24, 2023, 11:15 PM	#31
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,000	Curious what the reputation of Armi San Paolo is. Metal Frame not brass. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

June 25, 2023, 05:31 PM	#33
RC20 Senior Member Join Date: April 10, 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 7,000	Thank you. I had not given her pistol any thought until I saw the topic in this section. Confirms my feel on her gun that its a pretty decent quality one from the feel of the action. I suspect I will look for caps and powder and try it out this summer. I can't say I gave the first one any chance, just messy. Anyone know if the people back in the day actually put grease over the bullets? I just don't see that as viable in a dusty or wind blown environment. I have noted the shaved lead ring if the balls she bought are large enough. Probably single load rather than the goop. Or load 3 with chamber skip. __________________ Science and Facts are True whether you believe it or not

June 21, 2023, 09:32 PM	#28
bobn Senior Member Join Date: December 30, 2006 Location: midwest Posts: 1,096	as a former axle grease user (not proud of it) i think i might give high temp brake caliper grease a try. doesnt run, stink, and stays put....hmm

June 25, 2023, 09:09 PM	#34
44caliberkid Senior Member Join Date: May 15, 2017 Location: Iowa Posts: 966	Hey Doc, nice pistola.

June 26, 2023, 03:53 AM	#35
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,437	I shot without greasing the chambers... ... for about three years, and I never had a chain fire. The only chain fire I have ever had was on a C.O.M. 1851 Sheriff (when I was still greasing chambers). This event occurred not at the front of the cylinder but at the nipple end. Loose fitting cap lit off the next chamber. Pulled the arbor loose (brass frame). ...and thanks .44CK. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath. Last edited by Doc Hoy; June 26, 2023 at 12:46 PM.

June 28, 2023, 10:17 AM	#36
BillM Senior Member Join Date: January 20, 2009 Location: Amity Oregon Posts: 788	Late to the party as usual---but if the OP hasn't decided on model to buy yet I'll toss out a suggestion. 1861 Navy. All the "advancements" of the '60 Army in a 36 cal.

June 28, 2023, 03:38 PM	#37
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,437	I had forgotten but... ... Euroarms, a highly regarded importer/manufacturer, was functionally synonymous with ASP. I have a Rodgers and Spencer in .44 from Euroarms. I like it. Fit and finish are top drawer. Smooth action. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath. Last edited by Doc Hoy; June 28, 2023 at 03:47 PM.

June 28, 2023, 05:06 PM	#38
Hawg Senior Member Join Date: September 8, 2007 Location: Mississippi Posts: 16,106	Euroarms is ASP. They just changed the name when they moved the factory.

June 28, 2023, 09:07 PM	#39
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,437	Honorable Hawg! Trust you to come up with additional details. My R and S has an AF date code (1980). No DGG marking and the maker is Euroarms America. The importer is Hawes Firearms in LA Calif. The frame is marked with Utica NY and I think that is an attempt to mimmick the original since Rodgers and Spencer operated in Willowvale, NY, a close suburb of Utica. I might note that the finish on this Rodgers and Spencer (frame) is a barely perceptible blood red tint to the bluing. I have a Sheriff Model 1851 Colt from ASP with the DGG emblem but no Euroarms marking. Date Code is XXX or 1974. I cannot find the actual first operation date of the Concesio manufacturing plant. Concesio (roughly translating to "concession" or "concession place") is an industrial section of Brescia. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath. Last edited by Doc Hoy; June 29, 2023 at 01:35 AM.

July 4, 2023, 10:54 AM	#40
Ricklin Senior Member Join Date: February 22, 2008 Location: SW Washington state Posts: 1,926	Hawes Hawes was a big outfit, relatively. They also imported a line of SAA look alikes from JP Sauer and Sohn.. Sold a darn near mint one in .357 to my little brother, he loves it. Had a heck of a time getting the Cyl. base pin out. Plenty of time and Kroil did not budge it. Rather than full disassembly to knock it out I used a pair of electronic nippers to gently lift the pin by closing the jaws, worked perfectly W/O marring the frame. __________________ ricklin Freedom is not free

July 4, 2023, 09:20 PM	#41
Doc Hoy Senior Member Join Date: October 24, 2008 Location: Naples, Fl Posts: 5,437	Ricklin I like the idea of the nippers. In my mind's eye, I can see it working. __________________ Seek truth. Relax. Take a breath.

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