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March 8, 2019, 07:11 PM | #1 |
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Hawaii wants to abolish Second Amendment.
https://www.guns.com/news/2019/03/07...endment-repeal
I'm missing something here. How do individual states have the right to abolish an amendment to the Federal Constitution? I guess they have the right to change the Hawaii Constitution, but how can they ignore / change / abolish Federal rights? |
March 8, 2019, 07:18 PM | #2 |
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The story says they want the consideration of abolishing or changing the interpretation. It doesn’t say they are abolishing it in Hawaii. As far as their tough laws, that is a failure of Federal courts, Congress and the President to act against state laws.
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March 8, 2019, 07:39 PM | #3 |
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It simply says that they wish for Congress to take up legislation to repeal or revise the Second Amendment, which Congress certainly has the power to do, although the bar is very high — 2/3 of both houses of Congress and 3/4 of state legislatures.
Hawaii does not have the power to do any such thing unilaterally, and the link doesn’t suggest that they do. There’s nothing complicated or underhanded about any of this; it’s how our system of government is supposed to function. |
March 8, 2019, 10:31 PM | #4 |
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About every congressional session for the last few decades, a bill has been submitted to abolish the 2nd Amendment. I don't think it's ever made it to a floor vote.
Politicians in Hawaii (or anywhere else) can say anything they want. They can ask for anything they want. What they get is another matter.
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March 8, 2019, 11:26 PM | #5 |
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They are persistent.
(Maybe gunners should avoid Hawaii)
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March 9, 2019, 12:33 AM | #6 |
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I think we should start shipping all these asylum seekers out to Hawaii where the weather is nice and they can live on the beaches until their cases are heard and they are granted their asylum. Got to be safer for them than leaving them in Mexico where there is no 2nd Amendment protections.
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Hawaii wants to abolish Second Amendment.
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Stunts to actually restrict Constitutional rights — rather than expand them — are relatively rare, but not unheard of. In the ‘90s and 2000s, Republicans in Congress relentlessly pursued the "Flag Desecration Amendment," which was specifically drafted to restrict the First Amendment. The slope is indeed slippery. Last edited by Brownstone322; March 9, 2019 at 11:42 AM. |
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March 9, 2019, 11:12 AM | #10 |
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Not only is it a stunt to pander to voters; but it is a stunt that actually hurts those voters chances of getting any kind of gun control by creating backlash amongst voters who disagree and reinforcing their not-unfounded belief that the goal of gun control is elimination of civilian ownership in its entirety.
It is like politicians on both sides are adopting clickbait culture without any concern for the real world consequences. Of course, he may really believe. I watched a Washington state politician segue from “nobody wants to take your guns” to “of course, no civilian should be able to own guns” in about 60 seconds and without any apparent self-realization that he was saying two contradictory things. |
March 9, 2019, 11:52 AM | #11 |
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If forced to say you can keep your guns - it is a sportsmen's O/U skeet killer.
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March 9, 2019, 12:46 PM | #12 | |
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of "is" is. They thereby leave the words -- with changed definition in place -- to effectively pike those who cite its protections. Look up the practice of "piking" some time. Bottom right page 68 here: https://books.google.com/books?id=ya...cution&f=false . Last edited by mehavey; March 9, 2019 at 12:55 PM. |
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March 11, 2019, 04:21 PM | #13 |
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I live in Hawaii... for now. Just like in most states, the one or two large metropolitan areas dominate the politics. The state is entirely blue and Honolulu politics are just as inbred and ugly as Chicago.
There is a strong gun-owning and absurdly strong hunting culture in Hawaii. Hunting and fishing are a way of life here like nowhere else I've ever been. In Honolulu, it's not political suicide to be anti-gun... but just about everywhere else in the state, and especially so when you leave Oahu, it is. Shootz, you can still own "assault rifles" here. Granted, there's no carry, no Class-3 and the licensing/registration scheme is everything on the anti wish-list short of an actual psych exam, but you can still own some fun stuff and I don't see that changing anytime soon. You've got a few politicians who are going to say the things they need to say to move up in the party, but I doubt that you're going to see anybody push harder than simple rhetoric... the locals just won't stand for it. Stanley Chang is a Harvard Lawyer who has moved his way up in Hawaii politics... first as a City Councilman, now as a State Senator. If he follows any kind of playbook, he'll might be the State Attorney General next. This gesture is nothing more than to show the DNC that he can be a player. |
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March 12, 2019, 06:03 AM | #15 |
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I believe recent posters may have mixed up what The People
believe to be in their rightful interests, and what the evolved Political Class have in store for them. Check-6 . . . . |
March 12, 2019, 11:52 AM | #16 |
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Check-6. . . .
Not confused at all. Disgusted maybe, confused, NO. Hawaii is completely isolated from the influx of people to our southern border yet they feel free to comment and judge. Those poor misguided people trying to come here are victimized on both sides of the border. I think I have a better chance of Open Carry in downtown Chicago than Hawaii does of abolishing the 2nd. |
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A tourism boycott seems to be in order here.
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March 13, 2019, 03:59 PM | #18 |
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"A tourism boycott seems to be in order here."
This is happening everywhere, or has no one noticed? The Leftists are pushing their anti-gun agenda in every state legislature. For them, it's a good strategy - eventually, I fear it will work. The truth is that we as American gun owners, are not pushing back enough. The Left can put together things like marches, occupy wallstreet, gay pride parades, etc. We NRA members, GOA members, and gun owners can't seem to muster up the numbers for these kinds of protest rallies that might make a difference. |
March 13, 2019, 06:11 PM | #19 |
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As I said earlier . . . Check-6
What you think is 2A support 2Big2Fail, is just an 18th Amendment away from waking up to blearingly mumble . . "what happened?" |
March 14, 2019, 09:29 AM | #20 |
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Can we not go down the 'leftists' are coming trail again. One failure of the RKBA advocates is noninclusive stereotyping like that.
Or else we have the point of this thread and it can be over.
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Point #1 In order for a boycott to have any effect, at all, the people being boycotted have to know they are being boycotted, and WHY! Point #2 The people being boycotted have to CARE. Point#3 The people affected by the boycott must be the ones responsible for the reason you are boycotting, or have leverage on those who are. I don't see any of those applying to the rhetoric (or even the actions) of a few wackjobs in the Hawaiian government. But, don't let that stop you, just be sure to call the Hawaii tourism bureau and let them know WHY you won't be going to Hawaii and spending thousands of dollars. And get all your friends to call, too. And call EVERY travel agency in the book, too, and explain their loss of business, due to circumstances beyond their control, too. Make sure they all understand that they lost their commission because of Hawaii's gun politics. (and not for any other reason). AND all the hotels, airlines, and etc., all the way down to the airport taxi service. Make them aware they're losing money, and WHY. Let them call the Hawaii govt and complain, too. Oh, and better not order that Hawaiian Pizza, and consider a pineapple free diet, and let Pizza Hut, and Dole, know WHY! I don't hold any great hopes for your success, but good luck, anyway!
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but keep in mind this effort can be used for messaging by the gun control lobby: "we just want to be reasonable and ban the 'bad guns' but we can't even get that." Quote:
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