N32C (Tin Star)

Sky Master · June 14, 2018, 08:42 AM

Pickup some Tin Star powder to use in 200gr 44 Special and 200gr 45 Colt.
Only to fine out there is no data for either of these bullets for these cartridges.
Bummer.

1100 tac · June 17, 2018, 02:17 PM

Oops

mhblaw · June 18, 2018, 04:44 PM

As it is intended to work similar to Trail Boss, you might try the suggested fill a case to base of bullet, weigh and start with 70% of that weight for a beginning charge. I have some Tin Star but have not used it much.

**Unclenick** · June 18, 2018, 09:03 PM

NO, NO, NO! TERRIBLY DANGEROUS. Tin Star is half-again more dense than Trail Boss. You could double pressure doing that. Plus, that 70-100% formula is for using Trail Boss with jacketed bullets in high power rifle cartridges designed to operate at way above 44 Special pressures. Never presume to carry rifle load densities over to handgun cartridges without checking with the manufacturer. Never presume data that is good for one powder is good for another without checking with the manufacturer.

Vihtavuori has CAS data for Tin Star in the .44 Special. The bullet is heavier than yours at 248 grains, but it shows maximum .44 Special pressure is reached at about 55% fill of the space under the bullet. The 200-grain will be similar. Probably about 7.5 grains, but stick with the 6.3 grain published maximum for the 248-grain bullet unless you know it isn't working for you and you know how to read revolver pressure signs to work up to 7.5 grains.

QuickLOAD confirms the pressures. At 70% fill, you would be in proof load range for the .44 Special. At 100% you would exceed .44 Magnum pressures, running at around 40,000 psi. At 55% it lands right in the middle of the high-pressure range. It looks like it predicts this particular powder well.

June 14, 2018, 08:42 AM	#1
Sky Master Senior Member Join Date: May 30, 2009 Posts: 136	N32C (Tin Star) Pickup some Tin Star powder to use in 200gr 44 Special and 200gr 45 Colt. Only to fine out there is no data for either of these bullets for these cartridges. Bummer.

June 18, 2018, 09:03 PM	#4
Unclenick Staff Join Date: March 4, 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 21,061	NO, NO, NO! TERRIBLY DANGEROUS. Tin Star is half-again more dense than Trail Boss. You could double pressure doing that. Plus, that 70-100% formula is for using Trail Boss with jacketed bullets in high power rifle cartridges designed to operate at way above 44 Special pressures. Never presume to carry rifle load densities over to handgun cartridges without checking with the manufacturer. Never presume data that is good for one powder is good for another without checking with the manufacturer. Vihtavuori has CAS data for Tin Star in the .44 Special. The bullet is heavier than yours at 248 grains, but it shows maximum .44 Special pressure is reached at about 55% fill of the space under the bullet. The 200-grain will be similar. Probably about 7.5 grains, but stick with the 6.3 grain published maximum for the 248-grain bullet unless you know it isn't working for you and you know how to read revolver pressure signs to work up to 7.5 grains. QuickLOAD confirms the pressures. At 70% fill, you would be in proof load range for the .44 Special. At 100% you would exceed .44 Magnum pressures, running at around 40,000 psi. At 55% it lands right in the middle of the high-pressure range. It looks like it predicts this particular powder well. __________________ Gunsite Orange Hat Family Member CMP Certified GSM Master Instructor NRA Certified Rifle Instructor NRA Benefactor Member and Golden Eagle

June 17, 2018, 02:17 PM	#2
1100 tac Senior Member Join Date: February 7, 2012 Posts: 299	Oops

June 18, 2018, 04:44 PM	#3
mhblaw Senior Member Join Date: April 16, 2009 Location: North Dakota Posts: 111	As it is intended to work similar to Trail Boss, you might try the suggested fill a case to base of bullet, weigh and start with 70% of that weight for a beginning charge. I have some Tin Star but have not used it much.